For Fox's Earl and Chuck... Who can recieve Digital 6?

[Pat]

Nothing here, but I'm pretty much straight west and I have my antenna pointed southeast instead of east.  Its on the roof, so I don't intend to change it -- well, maybe if Packers and widescreen go together again.

[RobbQ]

Nothing from just southeast of Miller Park in the City of Milwaukee.  I have an antenna on the side of the house about 16-18 feet from the ground.  I've tried the RS double bow-tie and three other antennas with never a peep from Fox 6, though all other stations come in great.

[Tom Sielicki]

I pick them up with a Yagi in the attic pointed directly at them.  I am in Southeast side of Germantown.   They did the Vikings/Packer game in widescreen and it looked good.  (Not as good as the CBS HD college games but much better than analog FOX 6).
Malcolm in the middle and others looked good too.  Not HD, but a big improvement over standard analog TV.  If they could just double the power I would be happy because I still get an occasional jitter.

[Rafiki]

Southeast in Jackson.  Antenna in attic.

All channels great except for FAUX 6. Can't even get 6-1.

[John Polulach]

No Fox, all other HD channels fine
84th & Wisconsin in Tosa
RS indoor antenna
Samsung Sir T 150

[drgingras]

50% signal with lots of breakups. 4-bay bow-tie with amp on rotor and high rooftop, NE corner of Greendale. Note: removal of amp drops the signal to 0. This is the SAME setup, that when pointed South, does a pretty good job of picking up the Chicago DTV stations  
Dish6000 with OTA (8vsb cart.)

Dave

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I kinda thought that might happen ...

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[Ken Smith]

Nothing here in Big Bend from TV6-DT.  Fortunatly, Fox programs come in Great from WFLD-DT in Chicago.

[mcq]

Have never seen Faux 6 on either receiver. Low end Roof antenna. BTW I am at 27th and College in the actual City of Milwaukee... Isn't that the city of license for "6"

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Patrick K. McHugh MBA MCSE
mcq@mc-hugh.com
Sony 61HS10 (4x3!!!!)
RCA DTC100
Pioneer VSX-D710S Receiver
Infinity 5.1 (passive) Speakers

Intel 1.8ghz P4 w/ 512mb Memory
Digital Stream HiDTV Pro
ATI Radeon 8500 Dual Monitor Video
Viewsonic (Analog!) 19" monitor
ADI 17" MicroScan Panel
SB Live Platinum
Cambridge Soundworks Desktop 5.1 Speakers

I must be a real techno-geek as I have two full HDTV setups, one acting as a DVR!

[rpine]

No Ch-33 at Wauwatosa (Milwaukee Ave & 66th St).  Even with Ch-34 off the air during the day due to tower work, I cannot receive Ch-33. All other channels are great, power meter pegged (I get no numeric reading) except for Ch-8 - slightly lower.

Tosa- 66th St & Milwaukee
Attic antenna VHF/UHF
MyHD PC Tuner Card

[GS kid]

I'm near 1st and Mitchell and I get nothing at all from Fox 6 digital.---- GS kid

Sony 34xbr800 34-inch 16:9 tube
Samsung SIR-T151 HD decoder
Radio Shack HDTV digital indoor antenna




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[Tom Snyder]

Earl has been looking at these and gave me the following input:

 

Yes, I have looked at the results and I am not totally surprised.  As I mentioned, the FCC standard of coverage (41 dBu over the city of license) is not going to blow a hole in anyone's receiver.  WITI-DT is compliant with this standard presently.  It absolutely requires a directional outdoor antenna (i.e. Yagi, preferably with rotator, the higher the better) anywhere except within close proximity of the transmitter.  Losses through the roof and walls of a structure are significant at UHF, even in an attic.  So an indoor antenna, no matter how good it is, might only be able to sniff 1/10th the signal available on the roof.  Surprisingly, community antennas may not be much better.  This is because of the numerous splits or "branches" of the antenna downlead necessary to feed multiple sets.  The potential for in-band "suck-outs" and other signal impairments is geometrically related to the number of splits.  This is why conventional, analog cable systems sometimes provide less than perfect pictures and sound; especially older systems that don't use fiber to get the signal very near to the subscriber before doing coax cable splits.  Well-placed, high quality (some are not!) amplifiers can mitigate the losses, but do nothing to improve the "flatness" of the spectrum passband delivered to any given set.  If this "flatness" is not preserved, the multi-tap equalizers in the DTV receiver run out of steam trying to correct the problem, while also trying to cope with any multipath (ghosting) from the antenna, which is their main target.  The result can be plenty of signal, but no picture and no sound.  BTW, this is why some manufacturers have increased the number of taps in more recent DTV receivers, which has enhanced performance compared to the first generation of DTV receivers.  

Your earlier observation that there are probably areas within the contours shown on my map that do not get at least 41 dBu is absolutely correct.  The prediction software (I use ComStudy 2.2 from RadioSoft [www.radiosoft.com]) which generates the maps uses FCC probability formulas for determining the contours.  Only limited terrain information is incorporated, mainly ground elevation.  Local conditions, such as trees, buildings, and other "clutter" are not considered.  So reception within the contour is really statistically expressed as "reception at a certain percentage of locations, for a certain percentage of time," both percentages being less than 100%.  Other techniques, such as computationally-intensive Longley-Rice modelling [also a feature of ComStudy], can give a more precise indication of signal strength at a particular location [useful for interference analysis], but can't make up for the fact that reception is nowhere near uniform within the FCC contours.  I don't know of any good software that can accurately predict the multipath at any given site.  

Best regards,

Earl

[fabff]

I'm located near Ruby Isle in Brookfield (North & Calhoun), with an outside Stealth antenna and a Samsung SIR T151 STB.

I have, at times, received a picture of sorts from Faux 6, but now all I get are a few blips and a "No Signal" message.

When will it end?  Stay tuned.

[MarkS]

I live in Germantown, Hwy 45/Mequon road area and used to get FAUX 6 with a 60-68 signal until recently.  I first noticed on Sunday checking for the Packer game and there was no picture.  The same has been true ever since with signal strength fluctuating from 20-40.

Could this be due to 34-1 moving to 12-1?

[MarkS]

Oops!  Forgot to read the directions.
I have a rooftop antenae and a DTC-100.
Location is actually Hwy 175 and Mequon Rd. in Germantown.

[Steve Mann]

Zilch here in Greenfield for Fox. Located around 27th and College. All other stations are received fine.

Panny TU-HDS20, Radio Shack 15-2160 (http://www.radioshack.com/searchsku.asp?find=15-2160) antenna in garage rafters. No signal meter on receiver.

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