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Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Wednesday Jun 09, 2004, 12:39:21 pm
Use this thread only to report reception, signal strengths, drop outs, etc once Fox6 begins broadcasting from their main tower.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: John L on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 03:59:40 pm
Its Friday afternoon, June 25th @ 4:00 pm and I am receiving a strong digital signal.  No ID and no audio or picture. It is coming in error free on ch. 33.  So it is obviously WITI-DT testing here.  I live in Muskego on the Southeast side.

I am getting a 20 db signal which is common reading among all the local channels here.

-John L.

Re-Editing this post.  Since I can't delete it.  The above is a FALSE ALARM.  My Hauppaughe Win-TV-D TV card wasn't performing quite right.  I had thought I was getting a signal on ch. 33, then I tuned to ch. 34 and get 20 db signal but no ID and NO WISN, I tune to Ch. 61 and get 20 db signal but picture or audio of WVTV!!!

This sometimes happens.  Apparantly something isn't always happy when I boot up the computer.  In order to get it to work, I have to shut down the computer and re-boot.  After I re-booted I tried ch. 61 and got WVTV-DT Test Pattern, then no signal at ch. 33.  Then ch. 34 I got WISN-DT.  

I realize I should get a REAL TV and throw the cheap computer card away.  But I have no room, money and no real need to replace my current analog TV.  Eventually when the analog TV dies, I will have more reason to purchase a digital TV and if I have to take out a loan, I'll do it then.

I should look at the hauppauge website and see if they have such thing as a "fix" to this problem.

-John L.
Title: reception
Post by: dclutter on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 08:23:39 pm
friday June 25th   8:20 pm
Location  Wales, wisconsin

I am receiving 6-1 with about 40% on my meter.  I have a samsung D* TS160.  This is the first time i have ever received any signal for 6-1

Lets hope it stay this way, or a least they get the bugs out by september for football:)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Kevin Arnold on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 08:41:12 pm
WITI DT 33 at signal strength 35 in Hartland.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: smack on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 08:50:35 pm
Friday June 25 8:50 pm
Southwest side of city of Waukesha (by West HS)

6-1 is on my D* TS160 at about 30%
I am on the backside of the hill with an attic mount antenna
getting some breakups in the signal.  I think I need to have the antenna set better for Fox & CBS

Signal strength is slightly less than i get for CBS (58-1 on my box)

smack
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Gregg Lengling on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 08:53:15 pm
About 30% here in Cedarburg...but it won't lock...no real signal..but then again with 1/2meg at channel 34 I didn't expect much as my antenna is pointing directly at both.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Steve Mann on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 09:42:48 pm
My stupid panny has no signal meter, but I'm getting a strong lock with only a couple of mili-second drop outs over a period of the 5 minutes that I watched. I'm located close to 27th & College on the south side.

Edit: Using a garage rafters, UHF only RS antenna.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Doug Mohr on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 10:19:47 pm
I turned on the HD a few minutes after 8:00PM and I am getting a 93% signal and watching "the Jury" right now.

:rock:

Doug

Edit: I have been watching for 2 1/2 hours and no drops or garble.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Talos4 on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 10:32:17 pm
:D :drink:

I don't believe it!!!!!

96%!!!!  on approximately 68th & Oklahoma, with a roof top.

Just flipped it on during a caution in the truck race and...  

Whoo Hoo!

:rock: :rofl:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Matt Heebner on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 10:41:18 pm
I am not getting any type of signal.
Hmmmm......

matt
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: bimmer_immer on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 10:45:19 pm
Date/Time: 6/25 10pm
Location:  SE Mequon **53092 **
Antenna: R-S rooftop VU-75 (50" boom) w/rotor
Receiver: RCA DTC-100  
Signal Strength: 52

In comparison:
WTMJ (4-1) is at 84
WMVS (10-1) is at 94

Picture seems more stable than before the move, but I do need to point the antenna right at the Ch 6 tower to get a decent signal.

-Brian
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Ken Smith on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 11:04:49 pm
Located on a hill outside of Big Bend(Southwest of Milwaukee) with a RS 75 antenna outside.  Antenna is at 1010 feet above sea level.  

Getting a fairly strong (72) signal, but it breaks up quite a bit.  Must be some Multi-Path.  Will have to re-aim again tomorrow.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: John L on Friday Jun 25, 2004, 11:05:22 pm
WITI-DT is coming in nice and strong here tonight!!!

20 db is how the Win-TV-D card measures.  Surely a lot gifferent than a real tuner.

Like I said before I live in Muskego.

-John L.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 12:10:39 am
Signal Strength of 70 here in Germantown! Cool! Showing on 33-2?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: John L on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 06:41:24 am
Showing on 33-2?

33-2?  I only get one program, and thats just ch. 6.

-John L.

Being 6:45 am Saturday, what I find very weird is that both WITI and WCGV are broadcasting the same exact program at the sametime.

WEIRD!

-John L.
Title: 12 miles due north of Oconomowoc
Post by: Riktar on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 08:25:30 am
The Samsung is "trying" to lock a signal. But no picture and no sound.

 What I am getting is a blip on the signal strength meter every 5 seconds or so. The type of meter that Samsung uses is simply a progression of bars. So for what it's worth I am getting jumps up to 5 bars.

Still singing the blues - :guitar:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: davezen2 on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 09:14:17 am
I'm getting the exact same thing as Riktar on my Sammy T151.
Title: Jefferson,WI
Post by: GADGET71 on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 09:36:40 am
I am getting the blip also but no sound or picture way out here in Jefferson.  The Sammy 151 also says no signal.  I had hopes since I get most of the other milwaukee channels, some as good as Madison.  Unfortunately my wife loves Fox 6 for news, vs the Madison Fox 47.  

Gadget71
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Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Bent_MG on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 09:51:59 am
In Elkhorn, WI, with a Radio Shack VU-190 I have a very stable-looking picture, with a signal strength of about 1/3rd (bars go 1/3rd of the way to the right from the left) on my Samsung T-151. It's the weakest signal I can receive, but it works, so I'm very happy!
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 11:12:29 am
Signal strength of zero in Random Lake.  I'm hoping that WITI is only doing some preliminary testing at this point, since I'm getting all the other major stations with a signal strengtg of 70-95%.

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Steely on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 11:16:16 am
6/26/04 11:15AM
Waukesha, WI
Rooftop antenna
Samsung SIR-T160 (20% signal strength)
HiPix (no signal)

Are they running full power?
Title: WOHOOOO FOX HD Loud and Clear
Post by: bigcheeshead on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 12:35:57 pm
I was flipping through channels this morning 4/26 and I came across 6-1. I automatically flipped through before subconsciously realizing that for the first time there was a picture. I switched back and to my delight I see local FOX in High Definition. The strength is damn good too, around 90% here in the Falls.
I'm watching Mets vs Yankees right now. It's only upconverted but it still looks good.

I just realized that I haven't watched a single show on fox ever since I got HD almost two years ago.  Sadly it used to be my favorite station.  That's all about to change, if they can keep it up and running.

Anybody knows a good link to Fox HD programming schedule, if any?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 01:02:35 pm
I am getting low 70's here in Tosa, but I have a feeling I should rotate my antenna just a teeny bit counter clockwise and I'll probably get a boost on both 6 and 58... still, low 70s and a rock solid picture and signaL.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: brewertix on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 01:27:14 pm
Signal strength at 80% in SW New Berlin with Channelmaster 4228 and Sony HD-200.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 05:35:43 pm
South central Mequon.  4 bay Channel Master in my attic.

Signal unwatchable.  All drop outs.



:( Starving:(
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: dlhoppe on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 06:29:48 pm
Nothing in West Bend with my VOOM receiver.  I get all the other stations just fine.  They must be on very low power. I don't have my Sammy 351 at the moment or I'd give it a try.

Anyone know what power they're putting out?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: easylistener on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 07:17:29 pm
I am getting a 12 on my voom receiver in West Bend.  I get a picture and sound but it breaks up every couple of seconds.  I think I will be alright when I get my pre amp next week.  I hope.

What antenna did Voom give you in West Bend?

They gave me a big winegard.  Works ok, but I think it will be better when I get that pre from them.
Title: Checking in from Waterford
Post by: rnelson on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 08:07:57 pm
I had trouble because I locked in on a Michigan analog channel 33 earlier in the week.  After a re-scan I locked in on 6-1.  Getting a 63 signal with some break up.  I really need another 10% to get a firm lock.

Comparison: Channelmaster with amp & 10ft tripod.
1-1   76
4-1   100
10-1  96
12-1  94
18-1 75
24-1   59
36-1   96
55-1   94

Zip Code is 53185
Roy
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: dlhoppe on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 09:57:06 pm
EasyListener,

I also have a big Winegard, but I already had it installed myself. They didn't have to mess with that part.  I'll have to give it another try. Maybe they were working on the transmitter this afternoon or something.  I'll post again tomorrow after I check it again.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Bebop on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 11:26:32 pm
Get 50% signal in greenfield with a 10 years old RS roof antenna.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: 720p on Saturday Jun 26, 2004, 11:45:08 pm
Getting 6-1 with rooftop antenna and Sammy 360 near the police station.  Signal steady at 45%.  Audio and video coming in solid but picture is quite soft and too white.  Still, it's about time.  Can't wait to see the Pack get their butts kicked in HD this fall.:p
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: dlhoppe on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 12:07:43 am
I just tried again and get a very low signal. Not near enough to get any picture or sound. All the other digital stations come in very strong. They must be transmitting at low power. Either that or my equipment is malfunctioning somehow.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: easylistener on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 10:06:36 am
where in west bend are you?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 10:48:01 am
I tried aiming my 4 bow tie Channel Master, but that did not help.  It did help my weak 18-1/18-2 signal though.  I ordered the 8 bow tie Channel Master 4228 from Warren Electronics to see if that will help me.  If that fails I'm going to hire out to have my antenna installed on the roof.  If that fails, I will be assimilated by Time Warner Cable.  I hope resistance is not futile.....

I am thankful they got this going with some time before the NFL season starts up.  I will need this time to figure out a way to get their signal.  Who would have thought it would be so tough to get their signal 1 mile away from Milwaukee?  

Starving
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 12:59:42 pm
I know they are currently at a low power, but the increased height should be enough to give decent coverage. Not an explosive signal in the far NW reaches of germantown, but 70-74 ain't bad. I'd be curious to see a map of their signal pattern...  Suprised that you can't get a signal in Mequon, Starving. You're probably as far North as I am, but 10-15 miles farther east.. puzzling...
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Riktar on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 01:04:57 pm
QuoteOriginally posted by Tom Snyder
I know they are currently at a low power, but the increased height should be enough to give decent coverage.

 Is that to say that they will be increasing the power? Since you used "currently" I am hopeful that an increase is in the cards.

 As it stands now I can almost get a lock on their signal after sundown. Maybe once the leaves get off the trees I will have better luck.

*sigh*
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: dlhoppe on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 04:52:42 pm
I thought they were at low power.  Actually, I was hoping they were at low power. That means my equipment is probably fine. Since I can pick up every other digital signal out of Milw, I was certainly puzzled as to why I couldn't get Fox.  I guess I'll just have to wait even longer to get Fox. Dang!  I sure hope they crank it up before football season!

Tom,

Do you have any idea on the timeline for Fox going to full power?



EasyListener,

I'm in the town of Trenton about 3-4 miles east/southeast of West Bend.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 05:23:23 pm
All I can say is that they are authorized to broadcast as substantially higher power (about the same as 12 and 4).

And I'm guessing that, like 58,  they'll switch to that higher power when it is strategically, financially and technically in their best interest to do so.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Gregg Lengling on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 05:43:31 pm
I look at it this way:  WDJT is running low power (about 900 to 1000 watts I think and an ERP of 10K) and I have no problem receiving them.  However FOX6 must be running micro-power less than 200 watts and a low gain antenna with the main pattern to the West and South, because I still have nothing to receive here in Cedarburg.  Pretty disappointing, I sure hope Directv gets the Fox feed up and running pretty soon or I will be one very IRATE Non-Viewer if I miss my Packer games.  Get with the program WITI and get a signal out there where it is actually usable.
:mad: :( :guns:
Title: Neet more signal.
Post by: rnelson on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 05:51:43 pm
I'm quite a bit south and maby that's why I get the 64% that I get.
I was trying to watch Nascar this PM.  Too much break up to be watchable.  Unless you can get a strong enough signal to hold a clear picture, the only thing you accomplish is to be able to see what you're really missing.

I agree . . . Kick up the power guys.
Roy
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Sielicki on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 07:18:44 pm
Nothing here in germantown .   Sucks because I received them from brown deer road location.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: dlhoppe on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 08:28:31 pm
So what do you think is holding them back?  Saving on the electric bill?  Maybe their equipment isn't up to snuff yet.  Does anyone have a contact at WITI to see what's going on?
Title: Signal but weak.
Post by: GBK on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 08:42:51 pm
I have a Silver Sensor right now aimed at the new tower I get about 35% signal. just enough to be able to watch it on my tuner but it has a lot of drop outs.. Too bad I wish they would increase the power at least 25% it should solve a lot of issues for me.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: AndrewP on Sunday Jun 27, 2004, 09:41:43 pm
Unwatchable!!!
Signal breaks up every other second here.
If that is what they can - I don't even know what to say about them holding us as hostages before the football season.
WITI look at ch 22 - even they can pay for electric bill and provide a signal!
JOKE. Another one. How many left...

Andrew, Muskego , 50%-0%-45%-0%-50%-0%-60%-0%...
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Jim Oliver on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 12:23:06 am
I'm in Pewaukee and was able to watch 6-1 without any breakups tonight.    I'm using an old rooftop antenna that came with the house and am getting all the other digital stations ok.  I have a Mitsubishi set and I don't know of any way to read what the signal strength is.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: jkane on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 08:39:40 am
Tuned in this morning, and not getting FOX 6-1 yet.  I have a built in tuner, so not strength meter that's useful.

There's a weird "feature" on my TV where it shows the last channel that was digital if it gets no signal.  So I still get channel 4-1 on 6.  :confused:   If I tune to 10 then back down, I get 10-1 on 6-1!  But that's normal.  Same thing happens on 1-1 (get 4-1 or 55-1 depending on which way I'm changing channel from), so I figure it's a feature of the TV, not a problem with the signals.

The only way to clear that up is to reset, and that messes up convergence, so I live with it.  Besides, after one flip through all the channels, and the "feature" comes right back.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 09:15:24 am
I started a POLL (http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3642) for Fox 6 to see what the net effect of their transmiiter move is...
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 10:15:45 am
QuoteOriginally posted by Gregg Lengling
.... and a low gain antenna with the main pattern to the West and South....

I guess that is another option I have to avoid being assimilated by Time Warner Cable.  Move out of Mequon to a suburb West or South of Milwaukee....  I don't really like that option though.  Too bad they ignored the North suburbs with their signal....

Starving
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: thor9 on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 03:55:56 pm
I am 32.83 air-miles northwest of the WITI tower, located in Rubicon (Zip Code 53078) appx. STH 60 & CTH 'P' in Dodge County. Ground elevation is 1040 AMSL.

Using a rooftop R/S VU-190 & mast-mount preamp, with a Panasonic TU-DST 52, WITI-DT is a rock-solid 74% with no visible packet loss in Rubicon.

Similar signal strength to CH 58's digital, kind of weak, but rock solid compared to 58, which requires the touch of a safecracker on the rotor control to keep locked.  

Holy Hill is 9.06 air-miles southeast of me, slightly south along the signal path to Estabrook Park, possibly causing multipath problems on 58?

Madison's Fox & CBS affliates are a lot stronger here, and no dropouts.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Riktar on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 05:04:45 pm
thor9 you are only 2 miles away from me. Now I am going to have to roll up my sleeves and try this again.

 I am just down the road off of Cty p and NN.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: thor9 on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 05:11:43 pm
I'm actually north of there, pretty close to St. Johns in 'Downtown' Rubicon. Hyw 60 & P is the closest major intersection that somebody might find on a map.  I have Wisconsin & Southern trains rattle me out of bed.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Riktar on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 05:33:46 pm
Ok I still have the same deal on this end. NUTS! Time to start thinking about raising the CM4228 on the roof. I can feel my legs getting wobbly already.

 Thor I am guessing that you might be at a slightly higher elevation where you are at and that might be the difference.

 I know what you mean about CBS 58 being flaky. I have pretty much given up on going there since Ch3 Digital out of madison seems to be a bit more stable. And for just getting CBS related programs I don't really care who's station I can pull in.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: John L on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 05:41:33 pm
This is very interesting.  I'm surprised to hear that some people are having problems getting WITI-DT.

I have no problems receiving WITI-DT and I have a cheap set up here. WISN-DT doesn't bother it at all.  WFLD-TV analog always there, and sometimes is WFLD-DT depending upon the weather. Also MPTV2, WMVT-DT. ch. 35 no problems.

I have an old RS outdoor antenna with a 20 db amplifier on it.

Today I aimed the rotor east and getting WOTV-DT and Fox 17's DT station.

But here in Muskego, I got WITI-DT error free with no problems.  This is very good if they are still transmitting with the lowest power compared to others.

I was a bit upset that Malcolm in the Middle was NOT in Widescreen last night, other than that everything else is ok.

-John L.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Gregg Lengling on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 05:45:14 pm
John you are in the main antenna radiation pattern for WITI and thus get lots more signal than those of us to the sides.  In addition you are probably futher away making the signal difference between WITI and WISN less of a problem.  WITI is channel 33 and WISN is Channel 34 and WISN is running HiPower and WITI is running FleaPower...thus with the weak signal and the interference from WISN those of us to the North and South are having problems.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: John L on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 05:54:41 pm
If they are using a directional antenna, then that would be very dumb.  But then again, maybe not if there is a analog ch. 33 in Michigan they may have to use a directional to prevent the signal from going to far east which is the lake.

-John L.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Gregg Lengling on Monday Jun 28, 2004, 06:29:18 pm
All the Milwaukee stations are using directional antennas, they have to protect other stations on the same channel, plus it would be a waste of energy to send 45 to 50% of your signal out to a body of water that has no TV's to receive it.  I operated radio systems from the top of the USBank building years ago and we used very expensive directional antennas for the same reason....we had no customers in the middle of the lake.
Title: Fox 6-1 digital
Post by: Ralph Kramden on Tuesday Jun 29, 2004, 01:33:28 am
I am receiving Fox 6-1 at 70% strength, I live in Summit near Hwy. 18 & Dousman Road. Picture looks very good.
Title: 6-1 gone
Post by: GBK on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 06:22:11 pm
I tuned to 6-1 at 6pm and nothing.  I have zero signal.. does anyone know what happened?  Did their antenna fall off the tower... that would be classic. :-)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: John L on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 07:26:49 pm
Hmmmm.... yer right, its off the air!  I detect no signal on ch. 33 and its 7:27 pm.  It was on earlier at 5:00 pm when I checked and had Fox 6 News on.

-John L.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Joseph S on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 07:55:20 pm
They couldn't afford a new 9 volt. ;)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 08:28:00 pm
Hmmm.  I thought something was wrong on my end.  Good to know it's Fox, not me.  Thanks for the heads up.

Starving
Title: Town of Lisbon
Post by: Mags on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 09:22:35 pm
I'm out in Lisbon - basically Lake 5 road and Hgwy Q (just west of Cty. J).... No signal on 6-1 or 33 on a Zenith SAT520 box with an attic antenna...

I get all the other Milwaukee digital channels without a problem..

Looks like the new antenna for Faux is just a myth, as I still can't get them...
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: GBK on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 10:21:06 pm
they are testing their ability to shut off the signal right in the middle of a packer game :D and also trying to continue their *superb* customer relations by not letting anyone know what the actual problem is.
Title: Did I read that right?
Post by: Mags on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 10:32:33 pm
Did Fox turn off their signal tonite, so that's why I can't get it?

This was the first time I've looked to see if it was there...
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: GBK on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 10:34:33 pm
Looks like it it was on for the last couple of days... strength not all that great but was there.. but now it's gone..  Again.
Title: Just when I thought Fox cared....
Post by: bigcheeshead on Wednesday Jun 30, 2004, 11:25:01 pm
Oh well I guess it's back to Fox bashing.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: G-Man on Thursday Jul 01, 2004, 08:49:21 am
no signal for me this morning either. Iam on 81st and burleigh. great to have this forum because I would have been checking everything. any idea what's gooing on and when they plan to have it going again.
G
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Thursday Jul 01, 2004, 12:04:33 pm
Silence is their standard form of communication with us, so we will have to wait and see (or not see for many) I guess.

Starving
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Thursday Jul 01, 2004, 12:54:28 pm
QuoteSilence is their standard form of communication with us

That is not the case. I am in regular contact with Fox 6's General Manager, Chuck Steinmetz... sometimes several times daily.

And the contact is initiated by him. When he has nothing new to report, he doesn't. When he does, he tells me.

Matter of fact I just got an update on this situation and emailed back seeking clarification to avoid posting innacurate info. While they are working as hard as they can to get and keep things up and running, it puts them in a precarious spot sometimes regarding what to disclose. Remember... their competitors monitor this forum as well.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: AndrewP on Thursday Jul 01, 2004, 01:34:43 pm
What competitors?

They are practically monopolists in Packers coverage.
If not the Packers I will not even care about their problems.

Andrew
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Thursday Jul 01, 2004, 02:16:18 pm
OK.. here's the official word from Mr. Steinmetz at Fox 6:
 
QuoteDue to technical issues beyond the control of WITI, our digital OTA signal is currently off the air.  We are working with the manufacturer of the equipment for immediate repair, but since a spare is not availalbe the soonest the signal will be back up is late this weekend.

I can't tell you any more than that, but I CAN tell you that, while the delays they're experiencing are unfortunate, they are all legitimate.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Doug Mohr on Thursday Jul 01, 2004, 05:47:46 pm
QuoteOriginally posted by Tom Snyder
I CAN tell you that, while the delays they're experiencing are unfortunate, they are all legitimate.

Thank you for the information. Hearing what is going on is always better than trying to guess.

Doug
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: 720p on Thursday Jul 01, 2004, 07:56:11 pm
Yes, thanks for the updates.  I was redoing my HT and when I reconnected the STB I noticed no signal on 6-1.  Glad to know I didn't screw up some setting or connection. :)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: G-Man on Tuesday Jul 06, 2004, 08:26:31 am
anyword yet????
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Talos4 on Tuesday Jul 06, 2004, 01:53:39 pm
Well, I don't knoiw if this is part of an ongoing tower upgrade project or an actual fix but,

They are working on the tower today, The elevator has been very active today.

I find this hard to believe given the current wind conditions.  32mph peak gust at 25' this morning.  

At a 1000' plus feet I can't imagine the wind speed.

:eek:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Tuesday Jul 06, 2004, 03:58:15 pm
I'll keep my fingers crossed.  Thanks for the update.

Starving
Title: what's the news?
Post by: GBK on Wednesday Jul 07, 2004, 09:19:06 pm
sure it would be nice if we were given an eta on the OTA signal ... I know it's WITI a station that doesn't give a damn about the customers it's supposed to serve.  But still holding on to some hope of customer service.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 12:36:39 pm
How about an ETA of "now?"

WITI notified us at noon that the signal was back on at 11:00.  Sorry for the delay in posting this, but I just got back in to check my email.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: RobbQ on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 01:06:29 pm
So far an acceptable signal strength with no breakups like I had before... but it's probably just the weather ;)

Thanks for letting us know!
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: digdugm on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 01:49:34 pm
Back on just in time for Jerry Springer, great. Its as good as it was before, now I'm debating whether its to early to ad them to TitianTv to record something worth watching.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: easylistener on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 04:59:52 pm
I could get a picture before and now I am not even close.  Did they change anything?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 05:23:49 pm
same signal strength as it was before. which is decent... (low 70's solid)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: tazman on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 06:57:07 pm
Couldn't before, and still Can't.  Obviously there's no boost in power over before.  Maybe they could turn that directional antenna that Gregg was talking about to the North West.   Or they could put a rotor on it and give each of us a turn at receiving them.:p
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Bent_MG on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 07:06:05 pm
I'm once again able to pick up channel 33 down here in Elkhorn with my rooftop VU-190...but I can't possibly imagine picking them up from any farther away...I get the occasional breakup even after spending 10 minutes with my rotor fine tuning. Heck, with about 5 more watts of power I'd have a perfect picture; I guess all that's left to do here is wait for full power! :(
Title: full power WITI
Post by: GBK on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 08:49:01 pm
maybe my kids will get to watch in full power :P
Title: Here in Lisbon
Post by: Mags on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 08:56:39 pm
I register a faint signal (labelled "bad" on my Zenith HD520 box) but I can't pull in a picture....

Every other digital channel comes in out here perfectly - using an antenna in the attic
Title: Here in Waterford
Post by: rnelson on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 09:15:17 pm
Before they went down, I was pulling a steady 64% with some drop outs.  Now, the best I see is 56% but is all over the board and just not enough to hold a picture.

Just isn't watchable.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Thursday Jul 08, 2004, 11:09:14 pm
Solid 70% in Germantown with my little indoor radio shack antenna.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: stvnce on Friday Jul 09, 2004, 10:11:57 am
Couldn't before, can't now. Only getting about 30% or less in Glendale 53209.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Talos4 on Friday Jul 09, 2004, 10:13:49 am
Rock Solid again at 68th and Oklahoma!:D
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: AndrewP on Friday Jul 09, 2004, 10:20:33 am
Unwatchable here in Muskego.
Maybe installing outside antenna with VOOM tomorrow will help.
Dish Network just lost me. All they and DirecTV care about is only adding locals chanells, and not HDTV.
I understand that it works for some people, but I depart to VOOM HDTV tomorrow.

Andrew
Title: lower east side
Post by: mr_yeti on Tuesday Jul 13, 2004, 10:16:28 am
i'm on the lower east side about two blocks south of brady. the signal is generally watchable here with occasional dropouts. my samsung 151 shows approximately 55% signal with a window-mounted rs double bowtie.

i haven't tried playing with antenna position yeti, and it's unlikely i'll bother as all channels come in reasonably well where i've got things right now.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: bimmer_immer on Tuesday Jul 13, 2004, 12:54:28 pm
I'm going to have to change my  poll vote. After their move to Estabrook Park, I was getting a reasonably good signal in the 50's with a stable picture. But after the recent outage it's in the mid 20's and is totally unwatchable. :mad:

There were no changes to my setup and all other digital OTA stations are reading the same as before. Whatever Fox 6 did was a serious step backwards for me anyway.

Location/equipment info:

Mequon Rd & Range Line Rd.
RS rooftop antenna
RCA DTC-100

-Brian
Title: fox 6 reception
Post by: joe porsche on Tuesday Jul 13, 2004, 02:18:18 pm
I am now getting fox 6 on a pretty basic set up.

I have a 55 inch projection APEX
A Samsung 151 OTA receiver
A Zeneth silver sensor indoor antenna located in my garage rafters pointing out a window.

I am located close to Hwy 100 and Loomis in Franklin and can't stand the idea of paying for tv programing so thank you Fox 6 for joining the race for the OTA market.
Title: Fox 6 HD
Post by: rrrprod on Wednesday Jul 14, 2004, 08:48:59 am
From the flat lands zip code 60002

I can see Fox 6 digital OTA using the RS VU-160 with a mast mounted pre-amp about 28 feet in the air. The receiver is the original Samsung SIR-150. The signal is about 52 % with sync lock 96% of the time. Basically a watchable signal from Antioch Illinois.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: tazman on Wednesday Jul 14, 2004, 08:28:36 pm
This is just an update.  I got my new Integra receiver today.  I can receive FOX 6 digital with only occasional short breakups.  My Hauppauge WINTV-HD tuner card however still does not know WITI digital even exists.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: MikeRoz on Sunday Jul 18, 2004, 10:52:13 am
I just updated my rooftop antenna and I'm getting a 88% signal on fox 6 on 80th and Howard.

With the new antenna, I pick up everything great except DJT.
I think I'm getting 30 % on 58.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Bebop on Sunday Jul 18, 2004, 08:55:20 pm
I'm a few miles SW of you.  58 is 80% and 6 is about 70%. But, tonite is 50% and 26 %
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Monday Jul 19, 2004, 09:30:42 am
QuoteOriginally posted by MikeRoz
I just updated my rooftop antenna and I'm getting a 88% signal on fox 6 on 80th and Howard.

With the new antenna, I pick up everything great except DJT.
I think I'm getting 30 % on 58.
You should be able to improve DJT... you will worsen WITI though.. :( do what I did and basically aim it perfectly so that the two are at the highest each can possibly be at that position.. doing that I am getting about low 90's or high 80's on both (though low 70's on my Tivo).
Title: NEWSFLASH!!!
Post by: Riktar on Friday Jul 23, 2004, 10:10:06 pm
As I always do I checked Fox6 after sundown to see if I could pull in a signal. Not only did I pull in the signal but it locked in in under a second! Curious as to what could have made the tuner lock so fast I checked the signal strength and was flat out amazed to find 5 FULL BARS on my SIR-T150.

 Did Fox 6 crank up the juice? Is it it atmospheric conditions?

 If I can still pull a good signal tomorrow after sun up I won't give a rip!
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Riktar on Saturday Jul 24, 2004, 08:52:53 am
False alarm. Must have been something in the air since I am back to 1 bar with occasional blips to 4 bars but no lock from the Sammy. :(
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: John L on Saturday Jul 24, 2004, 12:40:13 pm
QuoteMy Hauppauge WINTV-HD tuner card however still does not know WITI digital even exists.

Maybe I should have my Hauppauge Win-TV-D card talk to your Hauppauge Win-TV-D card.  I can get all the stations around here, except the TBN in Mayville, WI.  I can get the analog but not the DTV on ch. 43 which happens to be where the Waukesha analog is on ch. 43.  So how could we have 2 stations on ch. 43 that are perhaps 20 miles or less than 30 miles apart?

Am I right that the TBN-DTV in Mayville is on ch. 43?

-John L.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: stvnce on Sunday Jul 25, 2004, 02:47:01 pm
Just to update.

Bought a UHF/VFH/FM antenna at a rummage sale for $1.

Hooked it up to my HD reciever and can now get every channel with no problems.:cool:

I'm over on Green Bay and Mill Rd in Glendale.(53209):)
Title: An update from Lisbon
Post by: Mags on Sunday Aug 01, 2004, 11:11:25 am
I just changed my attenna aiming in the attic - I'm in Lisbon at Plainview and Lake 5 roads (just south of Hwy Q, and just west of Hwy 164)...

I was able to take the FOX signal from a 14 to high 50's to low 60's - which means I have a watchable signal!

Woo Hoo!
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: tazman on Sunday Aug 01, 2004, 06:51:43 pm
QuoteAm I right that the TBN-DTV in Mayville is on ch. 43?
TBN out of Mayville is 52 analog.
Fox 6 digital has been spoty for me the last couple of days.  Of course the only reason I'm getting Fox at all is the new Integra receiver I just got.  My Hauppauge card hasn't and probably never will get Fox 6 digital.:mad:  piece of JUNK!!!:bang:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: pagerman on Friday Aug 06, 2004, 07:40:42 am
Well, in the past few days, 6 has become almost watchable for me. It was not there at all last week, but now with some tweaking of the rotor, I get a picture that only locks up intermittantly. I'm in Racine in zip code 53402 with an outside 8-bay antenna, preamp and rotor. I can get all Milwaukee stations rock solid except for 6 and 10 (I only have a UHF antenna, so I'll never get 10) I hope this gets worked out by Packer season!
Title: 12 Digital must go off the air during Packer Games
Post by: Tom Sielicki on Friday Aug 06, 2004, 09:23:39 am
Well when 12 digital was off the air fox digital came in fine for me.   When 12 came back on fox was wiped out again.    I therefore propose that since fox 6 is so pathetic in getting there power boosted,  that wisn 12 digital do its part for the community and shut down during the packers game.   After the game they can do a post game wrapup (maybe in hd ).
Title: What was the Difference?
Post by: bubbaridesfast on Friday Aug 06, 2004, 08:54:03 pm
OK, today for the first time I can pick up 6-1. What I want to know, is it because I cut some branches down or did WITI change anything?
If they did nothing, I will keep an eye on those branches I cut back!

Does anyone know if WITI made any changes??:)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Talos4 on Friday Aug 06, 2004, 09:53:06 pm
well, Maybe they made some changes,

I couldn't post earlier today, but the tower elevator was parked next to the new digital antenna for a good portion of the day today.

Several trips up and down.

So... Maybe some changes:confused:
Title: more power?
Post by: packman on Friday Aug 06, 2004, 10:13:30 pm
I suspect they have more power on the transmission.

I had been unable to get teh signal in Muskego, and suddenly its OTA.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Lever2k on Friday Aug 06, 2004, 11:45:24 pm
Oconomowoc here on highway P and Z.  Moved antenna from lower back side roof of house to the top of roof.  Wasnt able to pick 18-1 and 6-1 before. After I moved it  and rescan I can pick up every digital station in milwaukee. Fox is perfectly stable at 63-69% 18-1 also strong and stable at 69%. 22-1 at 45% and stable. I have a radio shack uhf yagi and rca inline amp.  Also picking up 3-1,3-2 and pbs digital on 21-1 at the same time.
Title: Notch filter
Post by: Tom Sielicki on Saturday Aug 07, 2004, 09:54:20 am
Does anyone know where to get a notch filter.   I need one for WISN digital 34 so it does not overload my fox digital signal on 33.   I know most of you south and west dont have the problems I do but north and northwest gets dicey for fox 6 since I cannot position my antenna to any angle which gives me fox 6 digital.
Title: Re: Notch filter
Post by: mhz40 on Saturday Aug 07, 2004, 10:10:10 am
QuoteOriginally posted by Tom Sielicki
Does anyone know where to get a notch filter.   I need one for WISN digital 34 so it does not overload my fox digital signal on 33.   I know most of you south and west dont have the problems I do but north and northwest gets dicey for fox 6 since I cannot position my antenna to any angle which gives me fox 6 digital.
You are talking hundreds of dollars here...
PCI Filters (http://www.atxnetworks.com/rffilters.html)

With the undesired channel so close to your desired one, a filter may be cost prohibative and/or not provide good enough adjacent response performance to leave WITI's signal clean enough to receive.
Title: I see no
Post by: Mags on Saturday Aug 07, 2004, 11:43:14 am
power difference... still getting between 50-60, with dropouts down to 40 occasionally.... the signal does vary widely....

I even went up in the attic and tried to aim the antenna higher.... no luck - same signal....
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: pagerman on Sunday Aug 08, 2004, 11:32:08 am
Well, yesterday 8-7-04, I had 6-1 from approx 10am-7pm. Today 8-8-04, I have it now at 11:30am. Signal from 45-70% on a Samsung SIR-TS360. Again, I am in Racine at zip 53402 with an 8-bay, rotor and preamp on roof.
Title: No Fox 6 DTV Signal in Pewaukee
Post by: Kaz on Sunday Aug 08, 2004, 02:35:56 pm
No success in keeping lock on Fox 6 in Pewaukee 53072, 3/4 mile west of Highway T & SS during the morning of 8/8 (or for two weeks before) with an about 6 foot mast-type antennae (Radio Shack UHF/VHF combo) now laying on top of my garage rafters.  (I may get a mast to elevate it to try to improve my chances).  Previously, I could never get a picture.  This morning, I did hold a picture for a few minutes, but it was too quickly gone & I have not been able to recover it.  My Dish 811 receiver showed a signal in the low 60s when I got picture - it typically shows 49%.  It seems I'm right over the current Fox 6 DTV signal border, and a small power increase would probably cover me.  

All other Milwaukee DTV signals come in well, in the 85+ range.  Of course, since my main interest in getting HDTV is to watch Packer games, that is little consolation.  If any one has any recommendations, I'd love to hear them.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: pagerman on Monday Aug 09, 2004, 09:25:05 am
No 6-1 last night (8-8-04). Have it now 9:25am 8-9-04.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: bubbaridesfast on Monday Aug 09, 2004, 11:36:28 am
Well, I got 6-1 on Friday but haven't since. Can't decide if I should wait for 6 to increase power or start experimenting with different antennaes. Really want to get 6-1 in time for the regular season games!
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: PJFW8 on Tuesday Aug 10, 2004, 10:15:20 am
Over the weekend I was able to get a flawless picture on 6.1.  I removed a distribution amp and deleated innecessary splitters.  Roof antenna in West Bend.
Title: Antenna Move in Garage Worked in Pewaukee
Post by: Kaz on Wednesday Aug 11, 2004, 06:07:38 am
A small antenna location change worked for me.

Last night I moved my garage (the over head door faces east) rafter mounted 90" Radio Shack UHF/VHF combo antenna from the side of the garage by the eaves forward and to the middle of the rafter space under the peak.  In researching online, I read that the typical layer of roofing materials reduces digital signal strength by about 50%, and my prior location was close to the shingle line.  Now, the antenna is in open space obstructed only by the east peak wall of the garage.  Previously, I never could lock Fox6 for more than a minute or so, which was very rare, and signal strength was usually at 49%.  Now, I am locking on Fox 6 everytime at 72%.  

High fives were had all around, as this means Packer games in HD.  My location: in Pewaukee 53072, 3/4 mile west of Highway T & SS
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Wednesday Aug 11, 2004, 08:28:52 am
If anyone with an HD Tivo reads this thread, could you tell me what you are getting on WITI. I know I am getting a strong signal, 93 with my Hughes box.. I am just wondering if there is a way I can beef up the signal to each of the Tivo's tuners at all.. Thanks.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: murdoc on Wednesday Aug 11, 2004, 07:23:01 pm
Getting 6-1 around 45-75% here in West Bend.  Just moved my RS VU190 to the roof and connected to my Sammy TI-360.  58-1 is between 45-75% as well, but cuts out when the wind blows real hard....WTF???
Title: i have hdtivo
Post by: Mags on Wednesday Aug 11, 2004, 09:02:38 pm
and get varying signal of 45-60 out here at 164 and j in lisbon
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Rick Sass on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 06:13:51 am
solid and steady 67
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 10:18:12 am
QuoteOriginally posted by murdoc
but cuts out when the wind blows real hard....WTF???

Try aiming higher in the sky.  It worked for me.  I'm aimed above the horizon and it works great.  I used to have problems with weak signals and weather.  I think it was trees causing the problem.

Good luck,

Starving
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: ejander on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 10:51:13 am
I am located in Mapleton at CW and P and using my attic dipole antenna I get 65-70

Go PACK GO!:D
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: ejander on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 11:02:15 am
Actually let me clarify the antenna I am using.  Its a bowtie 4 bay dipole antenna.  Very simple and small.  BUT works great out in the STICKS!  Learned alot after I couldn't get my 160 inch antenna from wineguard to work!  :bang:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Riktar on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 11:48:45 am
65 - 70 in Maplenuts huh? I'm just 12 miles north of you on NN and P with double the antenna you have on the roof with a rotor and 6 is hit and miss. Accent more on miss than hit.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: ejander on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 11:50:32 am
email me at ed.anderson@qg.com and i will send you a link.  I get six locked solid now
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: ejander on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 12:00:07 pm
so everyone can see:


http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?CAT=&PROD=ANC4228

I use this type of antenna and its putting DIRECTLY east 90 deg!

I get all of the milwaukee stations solid.  most at 90-95 except 6.

If ya want stop by "maplenuts" sometime and I will share a beer with ya
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Riktar on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 12:04:12 pm
That antenna (CM4228) is EXACTLY what I am using. Maybe we will have to compare notes.

 MMMMMMMM beer. That sounds like a plan. Maybe at the Rustic Inn? I have always wanted to try their burgers. I hear you have to be REALLY hungry to finish one without straining.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: ejander on Thursday Aug 12, 2004, 12:07:44 pm
rustic has great fish.  anyways I saw your other post and I also SPLIt my signal without any loss!  GOTTA have TV in the garage!

Email me at the above address and we can get together this weekend and I will show you how!

:drink:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: bklass on Wednesday Aug 25, 2004, 10:53:48 am
I'm getting a solid 30 with a roof mounted Channel Master through my Hughes E86 boxes.  Can't watch because of constant freezes & pixelation.  All the other HD channels are coming in fine.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Hophead on Wednesday Aug 25, 2004, 02:54:43 pm
I live in Caledonia and sometimes Fox comes in fine then the next day nothing at all.  I have a roof mounted Stealth antenna that came with my Voom install.  I get Fox out of Chicago great everyday, in fact the picture and sound are better than what I get from Fox 6 when I do get it in.    So if it weren't for the Packers I would not care, but I do not want to be stuck watching the Bears every Sunday.  At least the first game is on Monday night and week 2 they are in Chicago so I can watch the Chicago Fox station, but I need to get this resolved by week 3 of the season.  I also get all the other locals, except CBS with no problems.

I am contacting Voom to get an antenna upgrade to see if that works for me and I am going to try repositioning the antenna this weekend.  I want to know how/why WB 18 is broadcasting in HD with perfect reception, yet a "major" network can't get the proper equipment!!!!
Title: Turned off signal?
Post by: stvnce on Wednesday Aug 25, 2004, 04:48:12 pm
I was getting 6-1 with no problems, then all of the sudden I can't pull in their signal at all. What's going on? Are they working on the HD transmitter?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: dlhoppe on Wednesday Aug 25, 2004, 04:50:31 pm
I'm still getting a good (for WITI), watchable signal here near West Bend.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Wednesday Aug 25, 2004, 09:19:52 pm
Getting an 81 signal strength in G'town....
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Hophead on Thursday Aug 26, 2004, 08:17:31 am
Fox 6 came in fine last night for me, there was some minor pixelation, but it was definitely watchable.  I still watched Family Guy on the Chicago 32-1 feed since they have better audio and video as far as I am concerned.
Title: no 6 digfital on 4 mile road
Post by: pidd on Thursday Sep 02, 2004, 10:54:16 am
I am on 4 mile road in Caledonia with no luck at all.
Using HD Tivo and standard roof antenna. Everything else comes in fine. Why can't the packers be on 12-1.:(
get 17 on the HDTivo need about 40 to get a lock on it.
isn comes in at 89.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Hophead on Thursday Sep 02, 2004, 01:40:16 pm
I have an appointment to upgrade my antenna set-up for this Saturday with Voom.  I will let you know if that helps, I have issues with CBS 58 and Fox.  I'm not too nervous yet since the first Packers game is on ABC, no problems there and the second game will be on 32-1 (Fox  Chicago) which I have no problems receiving, so I basically have until 9/26 to get a strong consistent signal.   BTW I am off of Erie and 4 1/2 Mile Rd.
Title: Fox6 power output
Post by: Tom Sielicki on Friday Sep 03, 2004, 11:16:02 am
So is this "as good as it gets"  for Fox6 for the near future or will they still improve on their power output?   Tom Snyder says he gets an 83 signal strength but I bet it is a false reading with some Wisn signal overloading his input.   Tell me your signal strength when Wisn is off the air.     I know alot of people are getting FOX6 now but it is very marginal and I bet they will get annoyed during packer games when pixelation occurs.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: RainDog on Friday Sep 03, 2004, 12:23:06 pm
New member weighing in.

I just started initial hookup of my HT:

42" ED panny
DirecTV HD Tivo receiver

Appx 60th and Vilet/Milwaukee area of Tosa.

I added a small attic UHF antenna on a temporary mount, eyeballed it to appx NNW direction and was able to get Fox 6.1 with a 90-92 signal.  All of the other digital channels were found with good signals.  Beginner's luck I guess....

I used the Schneider DB2 - $50 with shipping.
http://www.antennasdirect.com/IndoorAntennas.htm

I'll follow up to see how it works over the long haul.

-Steve
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Hophead on Friday Sep 03, 2004, 12:56:53 pm
Last night I did not lose the Fox 6 signal once and there was no pixelation either, although I only stayed on it for about 5 minutes at a time.  Was Big Mamas House in HD, the guide did not indicate that it was, but it sure appeared that it was.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Todd Wiedemann on Friday Sep 03, 2004, 01:03:37 pm
Over on AVSforum, people that work at FOX have repeatedly said that NOTHING has been transmitted in native 720p yet,

Foxeng, you out there ???
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Hophead on Friday Sep 03, 2004, 01:57:26 pm
It sure looked like high def to me, did anyone else see Big Mommas House last night on Fox?  Am I losing my mind???
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Todd Wiedemann on Friday Sep 03, 2004, 02:01:47 pm
QuoteOriginally posted by Hophead
It sure looked like high def to me, did anyone else see Big Mommas House last night on Fox?  Am I losing my mind???

I watched a bit. It did look good, I'll grant you that.

From what I understand, when a program is in HD, the transparent bug will be deep in the lower right corner. I remember seeing it way over last night ....

September 12 is the big day ...
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Joseph S on Saturday Sep 04, 2004, 06:20:36 am
QuoteSeptember 12 is the big day ...
Are they gonna make it???

They tried to put up their antenna on the 5/1/02 deadline and came up empty.

Why this hasn't been accomplished prior to one week in advance is beyond me. They came out with this HD Football push, years after CBS and ABC, but it's their promotional gimmick and they aren't going to make it in most non NFC markets and perhaps some NFC markets as well. How does anyone get beat to the market by Sinclair? ;)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Saturday Sep 04, 2004, 07:49:13 am
I disagree with the CBS/ABC comparison. Yes CBS and ABC have been doing HD NFL for a couple years (MNF for only a year), but Fox imho is doing NFL HD right. Well, I mean ABC had 100% of their games in HD, but that doesn't count. Fox is giving us DOUBLE the HD CBS is, and TRIPLE what they were giving us prior to this year. If you are an NFC fan and you team isn't completely awful, you stand an extremely good chance of seeing all of your team's games on Fox in HD this year. Heck, even if your team is in last place from day one, you will still see MOST of their games in HD this year. CBS the best you can hope for is many of your team's games, and if you have a bad team, well, hopefully they hit ESPN/MNF/Fox sometime during the season..

What ABC and CBS have done in the past is nowhere near the coup Fox is pulling off this fall. I don't care how you look at it, 6 HD games a week is awesome. And what happens when football is over? What happens when they have those 6 (or more) production trucks running around the country looking for sports to cover? I'm willing to bet the NFL is only the tip of the iceberg for Fox..  I would be suprised to see a sport NOT in HD next year on Fox... has CBS or ABC done that?

and I'm not a fox fanboy, but damned if even the biggest fox critics can't admit that what they've done is virtually a revolution in HD broadcasts.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Saturday Sep 04, 2004, 09:51:39 am
Is it too soon to start worrying that Fox NFL in HD will actually be 1 or 2 HD cameras and the rest wide screen standard defintiion?  I'm imagining Something similar to CBS's PGA Championship in "HD".  I hope I'm wrong about this.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: foxeng on Saturday Sep 04, 2004, 11:33:19 am
QuoteOriginally posted by Todd Wiedemann
Over on AVSforum, people that work at FOX have repeatedly said that NOTHING has been transmitted in native 720p yet,

Foxeng, you out there ???

There had been rumors that BMH would be a HD test, but at the last minute they called it off. It was widescreen but not HD through the splicer.

Do you guys know if WITI has their splicer on line yet?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Joseph S on Saturday Sep 04, 2004, 02:16:01 pm
QuoteI disagree with the CBS/ABC comparison. Yes CBS and ABC have been doing HD NFL for a couple years (MNF for only a year), but Fox imho is doing NFL HD right.

Not really comparing, just pointing out that CBS has done two Super Bowls in HD, ABC 1 SuperBowl before we have seen one HD game from Fox. Fox also promoted that we couldn't tell the difference for far too long when most viewers have no issue doing so. This has put them 1-3 years behind everyone else nationally and now based on their reports 1-4 years behind in many markets.

Don't forget, Thursday night's opener will be viewable in most markets on ABC HD. However, there's a 40% chance it won't be seen in Milwaukee due the need to cover the 0.000001% chance of a Hurricane in Milwaukee during this time period. ;)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: foxeng on Saturday Sep 04, 2004, 08:56:22 pm
I hate to say this, but most poeple on AVSFourm and some people on this board thinks that FOX has already had HD on the air and they haven't.

Seems FOX was right, most people CAN'T tell the difference.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Sunday Sep 05, 2004, 07:40:18 am
fox IS right.. most people can't tell the difference, and that's the truth. I can't tell you how many people have seen my setup and said "OMG, the picture is so clear on HD!!" while watching SD widescreen material on PBS-HD, upconverted HBO with black bars, or heck, even just plain DirecTV in one case.. :rolleyes:

My wife can't tell the difference at all unless it is HD video, but on filmed transfers to this day she still doesn't really see the difference over DVD...

And that's the truth. However, word of mouth is still more important than perception, and as HD sets roll out there and satellite and cable get more HD boxes into customers hands, and the word would spread that such and such a network isn't in HD and all of the sudden ratings drop. Even if they can't see the difference (though football would be different) people would still feel slighted just because they knew.

But again, Fox's past transgressions are unrelated to the fact that THEY are the HD leader this fall. Not ABC, not CBS. CBS has had 2 superbowls in HD, ABC has had one superbowl, fox hasn't had anything... oh, except for the up to six games a week in HD this fall... CBS' and ABCs' total HD games every week (including ESPN) won't even equal Fox's count on some weeks...

so you can live in the past... me, I'm going to enjoy every packer game in HD NOW... well, except for probably that CBS game. ;)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Sunday Sep 05, 2004, 06:44:20 pm
Sports really showcases the difference between SD and HD.  It's always extremely obvious to me when the cameras switch from HD to SD and back.  The difference is not subtle, it's like a ton of bricks, in my opinion.

Sitcoms are another story.  Some of the HD channels have poor film to HD conversion quality and end up looking very grainy.  In those cases Fox Widescreen can be very competitive in my opinion.  The Fox Widescreen sitcoms I have watched all look like they were shot in video.  The quality looks comparable to high end DVDs to me.

My conclusion of HD to 480p comparisons:

Sitcoms-Subtle, Sports-Dramatic.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: tazman on Monday Sep 06, 2004, 08:05:54 pm
I would just like to see WITI light a few more candles on their tower, so that those of us with marginal reception will get a solid signal come the first reg. season game.:rolleyes:
Title: FOX TRANSMITION
Post by: DeBelak on Tuesday Sep 07, 2004, 07:30:15 pm
I dont know about fox. The only time I could pick up fox is when channel 12 went down. I live in the north east area of Jackson. I have a roof top antena on a tower. If it would work I would go out and by the biggest uhf antena i can find and stick it up there. it right now stands about 50' off ground now on top of a hill with no obstructions. any answers? ( or should i steel the one from mitchel international airport) Help
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: dlhoppe on Wednesday Sep 08, 2004, 07:25:01 am
DeBelak,

Are you using a signal amplifier on your antenna?  If so, remove it.  I'm just east of West Bend and I have a 35' tower. When I first installed the tower, I had a pre-amp on it. Turns out it was causing the stronger stations to wipe out the weaker ones. Once I removed the amp, I could get everything perfectly. As close as we are to Milwaukee, we don't need amps when we have antennas on towers.

On the other hand, if you have no amp and you're splitting the downlead too many times or you have some other type of wiring issue, you may be experiencing too much signal loss before it gets to your receiver. You could try a temporary run of coax from the antenna straight to your ATSC receiver bypassing any splitters and connectors to see if the problem is in the antenna setup or the wiring in the house.

You should have plenty of signal strength with your setup being on a hill with a 50' tower. That's assuming you have an appropriate antenna.  What type of antenna do you have?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Joseph S on Wednesday Sep 08, 2004, 02:16:10 pm
Fox apparently is ending 480p after tonight. If WITI doesn't get the job done, your Packers will only be viewable in 4:3 upconvert. Maybe it's an incentive, maybe they just don't care.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Wednesday Sep 08, 2004, 03:15:51 pm
I don't get what you're saying? WITI has their splicer online... why wouldn't we get HD?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Joseph S on Wednesday Sep 08, 2004, 03:40:07 pm
Where did you read that?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Thursday Sep 09, 2004, 11:01:17 am
in an email. The splicer went online yesterday. From now on, if it's HD from Fox, it's HD on WITIDT.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: tazman on Thursday Sep 09, 2004, 08:01:38 pm
QuoteI dont know about fox. The only time I could pick up fox is when channel 12 went down. I live in the north east area of Jackson. I have a roof top antena on a tower. If it would work I would go out and by the biggest uhf antena i can find and stick it up there. it right now stands about 50' off ground now on top of a hill with no obstructions. any answers? ( or should i steel the one from mitchel international airport) Help

You must be near the limestone gravel pit on Pleasant valley.  I can't think of any hills in the town of Jackson on the north east side other than there.  I would be straight west, 3/4 mile east of the fair grounds in kind of a low area.  I get WITI now with only occasional breakups.  I would have to agree, if you have an amp..  Remove it.  That was part of my problem.  Also turn your antenna about 5 to 10 degrees east of directly pointing at the antenna farm.  That also helped me.  I would have to say with WITI still on micro power, we are walking a tight rope between WITI and WISN being 33 and 34 respectively.  It's been mentioned before that WISN overpowers WITI with cross channel bleed over.  That's why just about every one got WITI when WISN-DT went off the air for that one day.;)
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: gobble on Thursday Sep 09, 2004, 09:50:04 pm
I'm in Germantown.  Why would I get good signal strength on all the digital signals but nothing on 6-1?
Title: I think something is up tonite
Post by: Mags on Thursday Sep 09, 2004, 10:08:59 pm
I had been getting in 6.1 consistently, but tonite it is not coming in - hopefully they are doing testing tonite???

Anyone else notice problems tonite?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Joseph S on Thursday Sep 09, 2004, 11:19:01 pm
It's on now. Couldn't say about before that as I was watching the Superbowl champs win again. :D
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: stvnce on Sunday Sep 12, 2004, 04:10:29 pm
I still can't get 6-1, and I'm a stones throw away from the tower.

Why in the world are people in West Bend and Germantown getting a higher strength signal?

Can someone please explain this to me?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: borghe on Sunday Sep 12, 2004, 05:46:26 pm
if you are a stones throw away you'll probably have to attenuate that signal big time. I'm 6 miles away and need a 20dB attenuator on my antenna for any signals.. also if you are running an amplified antenna, don't. though even without amplification you will still probably need to cut signal strength.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: stvnce on Sunday Sep 12, 2004, 06:44:58 pm
But then won't I lose signal strength on the other channels also?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: stvnce on Monday Sep 13, 2004, 03:35:47 pm
I tried what you suggested and it didn't work. I actually think I may need an amplified antenna because the signal is just flying over my location.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Talos4 on Monday Sep 13, 2004, 03:44:55 pm
stvnce, what type antenna are you using?

Where is it mounted, Outside, Top set, attic etc...?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: stvnce on Tuesday Sep 14, 2004, 09:35:10 pm
I have an indoor antenna by my set. I can't afford a new rooftop model. I'll have tofind some way to upgrade to an amplified antenna and hope for the best.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Talos4 on Tuesday Sep 14, 2004, 10:16:01 pm
Typically with "amplified" antennas you end of amplifuing whatever bad signal you already have. Just makes it stronger.:bang:

I literally lived just 3 blocks from the base of the TV-24 tower in Riverwest for many years.

After trying all sorts of remedies including attenuators, tin foil, amplifiers, ghost eliminators, swearing, etc.

The best solution I found was a medium range roof top antenna with a rotor.  I could tweak the aiming just enough to pull in a decent signal on all the stations.

At that close of range to the towers I think the signal was effectively going over my head. Like alot of other things.

BUT, that's another post.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Wednesday Sep 15, 2004, 08:45:00 am
QuoteOriginally posted by stvnce
I have an indoor antenna by my set. I can't afford a new rooftop model. I'll have tofind some way to upgrade to an amplified antenna and hope for the best.

A nice 8 bay Channel Master:

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4228.htm

Is about $65 delivered.  You might be better off throwing that in your attic or garage, rather than buying a new indoor antenna.

Good luck,

Starving
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tonys on Monday Sep 20, 2004, 10:20:19 pm
Just installed a channel master 8 bay bow tie along with rotor.  I get 6.1 but only at about 10 to 20% with a lot of picture freezes and pixalization. But the good news is I can pull in Fox 11 out of Green Bay at around 50% signal strenth and that is more than enough for my reciever to lock on.  Go Packers!!

Go figure, I am 27 miles from Milwaukee and 57 miles from Green Bay.

53021:confused:
Title: Fox 11 out of green bay?
Post by: sajanisch on Monday Oct 11, 2004, 07:53:38 am
Tony

I am in Port Washington, can't seem to lock onto Fox-6 MKE either.  Guess I'll try green bay also -  that's channel 11.1 (or 51) correct?

Scott
Title: Green Bay Fox 11 Reception...
Post by: No-Muzak-Al on Monday Oct 11, 2004, 11:15:26 am
Scott,

You might want to give this a try...

I live in the northeast lakeshore area of Sheboygan, about 50 miles from the Green Bay towers, and 54 miles from the Milwaukee towers.   We have Charter cable but no HDTV service available from them as of yet.  I, like you, cannot receive Fox 6 with their low power and directional signal.  Fox 11 in Green Bay comes in at about 85% signal strength for me, using a rotor, Radio Shack UHF only antenna (Catalog #: 15-2160) and an old "all band" antenna pre-amp that I had laying around collecting dust.  I had read a few posts here and on the AVS forums about this antenna working fairly well for HDTV reception, even in nearly "deep fringe" reception areas.  Of course I was concerned that such a little antenna would work for me in Sheboygan, but I figured it was cheap ($23.99) and worth a try.  I have been very satisfied with it so far, and yes, even my wife doesn't have a problem with its look or size.  She was worried about me installing a giant "eye-sore" of an antenna on our roof, as most wives are...  Yes, but when they see that first Packer game or CSI show in Hi-Def, how they quickly change their minds!

Fox 11 has had transmitter power problems in the last several weeks, but I'm hoping that they are getting a handle on those problems since I've noticed that in the last few days, my signal strength has been very good and reception has been pixel free.

When Fox 6 finally decides to spend some money and go full power, I'm sure that I'll receive them alright, but in the mean time, Fox 11 is working out fine for me.

By the way, when the TV reception "band" was open last week, I not only had a few of the frequently receivable Grand Rapids DTV stations, but several Detroit DTV stations nearly full strength as well with this antenna set-up.  Two channel 4-1's on my LG receiver.  That was interesting and both were watchable.  Quite a difference from the old analog days of interference and ghosting!

Al
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tonys on Monday Oct 11, 2004, 06:10:02 pm
Scott

Its chanel 51. I use a rotor to fine tune the signal strenth. Good luck.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: byteme on Monday Nov 15, 2004, 01:48:55 pm
I was finally able to get FOX HD out of MKE yesterday.  We're on the south west side of West Bend, actually in the town not the city, about 30 or so miles.  It took a 91XM antenna, change in mounting position from the garage to the chimney of our 2 story and a 10' mounting pole from Menards.  I'm pulling FOX in at between 60 - high 60's strength and was able to get the Pack in HD and 5.1.  In the low 60's it locks up quite a bit so I called Fox today to talk to an engineer.  

According to him (and I'm sorry if this is old news) since ABC - Digital is the channel right next to them digitally and ABC is broadcasting with more power the best way to increase the FOX signal is to somehow decrease the ABC signal by messing with your antenna.  Short of that, they are planning on upping power, but he said "not near term".  When I asked what that meant he said expect more power by June.

So, hopefully, for the next few months we'll still be able to get Packers in HD and then in June maybe the boost in juice will help lock it in better.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: PatM on Tuesday Nov 23, 2004, 07:03:18 pm
I was getting a  marginal signal earlier in the summer from WITI_DT.
Ever since the Packer games have started, I am getting NOTHING!
Location is in SW Wauwatosa.:(
Title: Me too!
Post by: Mags on Tuesday Nov 23, 2004, 09:31:37 pm
At the beginning of the season, I was able to get a consistent signal from Fox - now I can't even get it to register...

CBS has also been spotty in the last 6 weeks - and it used to be solid...

Are there weather/atmospheric differences that do not allow the signal to travel as far in the fall/winter?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Tom Snyder on Tuesday Nov 23, 2004, 10:42:44 pm
Conditions are better for long distance/skip/tropo ducting in the summer. I lose my leaves in the winter, and so that improves my signal.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: PatM on Thursday Nov 25, 2004, 03:58:40 pm
QuoteOriginally posted by Tom Snyder
Conditions are better for long distance/skip/tropo ducting in the summer. I lose my leaves in the winter, and so that improves my signal.
For short distances there should be no difference. In the summer  there were leaves on the trees and I had a weak signal. Now in the fall, I have no signal whatever.
Location is is SW Wauwatosa :(
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: tbenning on Thursday Dec 02, 2004, 09:50:58 pm
Like many others, I can receive all Milwaukee HD channels over the air except Fox 6. Since I am in Menomonee Falls, my antenna points SE toward downtown. I assume that I cannot receive Fox 6 because their towner is located E/NE from my house.

My Radio Shack antenna says it is omni-directional, but it was obvious during installation that it really isn't. Does anyone have a suggestion for a better omni-directional antenna given my location?

Thanks,
Tim
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: smack on Friday Dec 24, 2004, 10:30:49 pm
QuoteOriginally posted by tbenning
Like many others, I can receive all Milwaukee HD channels over the air except Fox 6. Since I am in Menomonee Falls, my antenna points SE toward downtown. I assume that I cannot receive Fox 6 because their towner is located E/NE from my house.

My Radio Shack antenna says it is omni-directional, but it was obvious during installation that it really isn't. Does anyone have a suggestion for a better omni-directional antenna given my location?

Thanks,
Tim

You should be getting FOX - HD out of NY on directv channel 88 if that helps.
Title: Audio drops?
Post by: Greg Oman on Monday Dec 27, 2004, 07:39:32 am
Of the two HD games yesterday, the Bears/Lions game was nearly perfect for me.  The Panther/Bucaneer game started out ok, but by 4pm, I was having nearly 3 audio drops per minute.  I didn't move anything, so I'm relatively sure it was signal strength related.  I do have a second antenna connected to a second set, and it was giving me the same problems.

The dropping of the 5.1 audio finally got so annoying that I switched back to the analog feed over the satellite.

Anyone else have any issues with the second Fox game yesterday via OTA?

Thanks!

Greg O.
Title: Re: Audio drops?
Post by: gb4fan92 on Monday Dec 27, 2004, 08:36:50 am
QuoteOriginally posted by Greg Oman

Anyone else have any issues with the second Fox game yesterday via OTA?

 


Yes same issues here.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Monday Dec 27, 2004, 09:39:50 am
Yes I had audio issues with a solid signal.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Thursday Mar 03, 2005, 11:26:39 pm
Has anyone else noticed an improvement with WITIs signal strength?  Normally, I'm at zero, but for the last three days it's been hovering in the 35-45 range.  This still isn't watchable due to pixelization and audio drop outs, but it's getting close.

Maybe it's just the weather?

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Friday Mar 04, 2005, 09:53:35 am
I think it's the weather.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Monday Mar 07, 2005, 08:00:58 pm
Quote from: StarvingForHDTVI think it's the weather.
Yup, it was the weather.  Hasn't risen aboe zero for the last few days.

Oh well, it should just be a few more months yet.

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Gregg Lengling on Monday Mar 21, 2005, 07:53:00 am
Well this is very scarey....for the last 2 days I've been able to receive WITI-DT with signal strengths from 50 to 70% on all 3 of my receivers........of course there is nothing to watch right now and I'm sure when there is something to watch the signal will go BYE BYE! :co1:
Title: Me Too
Post by: Stanley Kritzik on Monday Mar 21, 2005, 12:03:13 pm
Yeah, I've been getting Fox occasionally, since there's nothing of interest to watch.  Sometimes it was smooth; sometimes complete with freezes, pixels, etc.  For anything important, I can get Ch. 88 from D*, so I'm content to just wait them out.

However, as for Ch. 58, with their "slice and dice" approach to their frequency, it is annoying, to say the least, not to be able to see HD programming -- ever.  They are doing a dis-service to their (potentially) leading-edge customers, and they're just going to lose out in the end.

S. K.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: murdoc on Monday Mar 21, 2005, 03:14:18 pm
Has anyone else been experiencing audio drop-outs watching Fox?  I've checked both 6-1 and channel 88 on D* and both have been doing it.  I guess I shouldn't use the term "drop-out" because the sound is still there, it just skips from time to time.  I've been watching my reciever, and the LFE (subwoofer) seem to switch off and then come back on right away.  I'm guessing that since it's happening both OTA and on D* that it's on Fox's national feed.  No problems watching local programming on either channels.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Joseph S on Monday Mar 21, 2005, 03:24:51 pm
I don't watch much Fox outside of Thursday/Sun, but I've read many complaints about audio dropouts on American Idol nationally recently.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Saturday Apr 02, 2005, 10:32:14 am
I don't know if anyone else is noticing the same thing, but I've got a consistent signal strenghth of 85 this morning.  I've never seen it go above the low 40's before.

Could it be...?

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Saturday Apr 02, 2005, 11:17:13 am
I just realized that I'm pobably getting it in because 12.1 is off the air right now.  We'll see this afternoon.

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: kevbeck122 on Saturday Apr 02, 2005, 05:29:30 pm
I'm getting about 60-70% now with 6.  I didn't get any signal before checking today.  I'm still getting it even now that 12 is back.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Saturday Apr 02, 2005, 05:33:03 pm
Well, 12 is back and 6 is gone.

Sigh, was looking forward to seeing 24 in HD on Monday night.

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: John L on Sunday Apr 03, 2005, 07:54:00 am
Its very interesting to note that when WISN-DT is off the air, then everybody is able to receive WITI-DT!   I guess the only main problem of receiving WITI-DT when WISN-DT is also on is the lack of output power WITI-DT puts out.

Its gotten to the point now that I have to use my rotor to adjust my outdoor antenna when I switch between ch. 12 (34) and ch. 6 (33).  

Anyways if all the stations are required to increase their power in the coming months, hopefully everyone should be able to get all the channels including 6 and 12.

How about WMVT, how come that isn't troublesome?  Perhaps because WMVT has proper output power not to be interferred by WISN-DT.  WMVT is on ch. 35, right next door to WISN on ch. 34. WITI is on ch. 33 all on the regular UHF band.  

When I viewed a Digital TV with a Digital tuner for the first time last month, I was amazed how the tuner operates and how the TV maps out channels. Its obvious to me from the operation, that people are not able to tell exactly what frequencies or channel numbers that the TV stations transmit on comparitively from the traditional tuner.

Currently I view DTV OTA using my Hauappaughe Win-TV-D pc card.  But I was actually out shopping at Wal-mart, which is something that is RARE.  They have HDTV sets on sale for about $1,000.  A couple were under $1,000.  So hopefully in 2 to 3 years my analog TV will die so I can purchase a HDTV.  Course by that time HDTVs should be about $300.

-John L.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Wednesday Apr 06, 2005, 06:33:21 pm
I happened to be home yesterday, while channel 12-1 was off the air again.  Bingo - 95 strength for 6-1.

It's really sad that I can get 6-1's super-weak signal just fine, but only if 12-1 isn't broadcasting.

Why did the FCC assign channel numbers so close together?  I know that it shouldn't matter with a digital signal, but if there's a huge power differential it's going to create a problem.

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Thursday May 26, 2005, 08:00:06 pm
Well, I hope this isn't another false alarm, but for the past two nights channel 6 has been watchable for me, with a signal strength hovering between the mid-forties and fifties.

The last time I was able to actually watch the show, 12 was off the air.  Even if they're still broadcasting at a reduced signal, I'm surprised at just how watchable 6 is tonight.  

With time running out, could they be making some changes at this point?  If so, why not on Monday so I could watch the 24 finale?

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: bradsmainsite on Thursday May 26, 2005, 08:09:01 pm
Don't get to excited just your usual atmospheric conditions enhancing the UHF
band today it will change don't worry!
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: SRW1000 on Saturday May 28, 2005, 06:00:39 pm
This makes the fifth day in a row that I've gotten a perfectly watchable signal from channel 6 (minus the very rare drop out).  Tonight, my strength is ranging between 36 and 85.  I've never gotten a reading that high before, at least not while channel 12 is broadcasting.  And I've never had a usable signal for this many days in a row.  

Maybe they really are doing something.  Has anyone else noticed the improvement?

Scott
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: bradsmainsite on Sunday May 29, 2005, 05:51:00 pm
No real changes noticed here.  Must be just the right conditions.  If I run
no amp just antenna straight I can receive fox6 by pointing my antenna
SE to attenuate ch12 then I will get it, but no more than 40-maybe 50%.

Brad
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: tazman on Wednesday Jul 13, 2005, 08:37:06 pm
Quote from: Tom SnyderRemember... their competitors monitor this forum as well.


Ya their competitors are all going KA...CHING.   :rofl:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: basshive on Thursday Jul 14, 2005, 09:30:26 am
Still in fox-less hell here in Wauwatosa. Able to pull in NBC on 4.1 and CBS on 58.1 with ease, but Fox is absolutly elusive on my Samy Indoor Antenna.  ONE evening due to some freakish atmospheric conditions I pulled in Fox on 33 for 2 hours which was just enough to make me even madder that I cannot get it normally.

Directv was here Weds installing my new dish and I had requested they install their OTA antenna. The minute the installer got out he said the antenna was basically *worthless* and it would not help me get Fox at all.  Mounting it was not really even an option because of where my dish is and the eve my roof has. I appreciated him saving me the 50$.

I have tried relocating and pointing my indoor antenna in every possible way I can think of but no joy from Fox.

I will be honest, it may sound insane (and hopefully I am not the only one), but I have pretty much spent 5500$ for the pleasure of watching the Packers in HD glory and Fox is really not making me feel like this is going to happen.... Discovery HD is great, HBO HD is great, etc but I need my packers in HD.

If they could even give us a semblence of a timeline on when they might be at full power it would sure make my decision making alot easier.  :confused:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: Matt Heebner on Thursday Jul 14, 2005, 11:28:26 am
I am in "Tosa as well. Have you tried pointing your antenna due east and tried to get FOX ? WISN (channel34 digital) is so powerful that they knock FOX's weak signal(channel 33 digital) right out. I point an antenna east, and pick up FOX at about 80%....I guess picking up the residual or muti-path signal from them.

Took me about 10 hours of playing with both antenna's in different locations to finally figure it out. I have one antenna pointed north and slightly east (antenna farm on Capitol) and one pointed due East.

Matt
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: basshive on Friday Jul 15, 2005, 03:05:03 pm
Matt,

Cheers to you!  Last night I started antenna moving again. This time I put it on one of coffee tables next to the couch pointing due east. Ran a scan on the hd box and waited. Keyed in 6.1 and blamo! It was up, stayed up for the entire night that I watched/checked it. I can only get 54% or so but its solid enough. I can probably get a little more with some movement but I only have so much space in the living room.  I did loose CBS 58 but it comes back with very minor adjustments. I am quite pleased that if all else fails me it IS indeed possible to get Fox. Appreciate the quick suggestion. For reference I am at 121st and Bluemound(18).
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: mhz40 on Friday Jul 15, 2005, 04:19:53 pm
My well placed un-named source says expect no big changes until at least mid-August.
My gut says everything will completed well before the first regular season Packer game on September 11th.
Either way, the wait is nearly over for you OTA clients of WITI.

MHz40
Title: D* Free Fox HDTV
Post by: vetrev on Friday Jul 22, 2005, 03:17:37 pm
If you call up DirecTV, they will give you free FOX HDTV on channel 88 from a New York Station. Make sure you sign up. It works great. Many Packer games are distributed nationally and will be on that station too. :rofl:
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: basshive on Friday Jul 22, 2005, 10:16:47 pm
Quote from: vetrevIf you call up DirecTV, they will give you free FOX HDTV on channel 88 from a New York Station. Make sure you sign up. It works great. Many Packer games are distributed nationally and will be on that station too. :rofl:

I called them (D*) about 2 weeks ago requesting access to the New York or LA feeds and was denied because they offer Fox Locally. I requested waivers but that could take months.. years.. decades.. and then a denial.

How were you able to get it so easily? When did you get it and where are you located?
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: jfelbab on Saturday Jul 23, 2005, 12:51:42 am
Quote from: basshiveI called them (D*) about 2 weeks ago requesting access to the New York or LA feeds and was denied because they offer Fox Locally. I requested waivers but that could take months.. years.. decades.. and then a denial.

How were you able to get it so easily? When did you get it and where are you located?

I got a waiver for Fox a couple weeks ago from DTV.  It took about 4 weeks.
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: foxeng on Sunday Jul 24, 2005, 08:21:10 am
Quote from: basshiveHow were you able to get it so easily? When did you get it and where are you located?

The first layer CSR's can't help you. You have to ask for the HD Dept and they can get the process started. The only catch is if you have other FOX stations NOT owned by FOX that claim coverage at your address, then you will need a waiver from those stations.

Here in North Carolina, in my market (Greensboro), there are 3 other FOX stations who claim coverage in different parts of my market. It took 2 waivers for me (one from Roanoke, VA and one from Raleigh, NC, the 3rd being Charlotte but not needed for my waiver) to get WNYW-DT turned on. Took about 4 weeks.
Title: Hi Power
Post by: rnelson on Friday Aug 26, 2005, 08:02:35 pm
I'm getting 94% In Waterford.

Nice picture
Title: Official Fox6 New Location Technical Report Thread
Post by: R1CK on Tuesday Sep 06, 2005, 07:26:34 pm
Try fox in madison, comes in great, I get to enjoy my 2nd full year of NFL on fox.