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Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Thursday Jul 31, 2003, 08:27:49 PM
I new to the list but I have a FTA system (Free To Air) and I been watching HD Net & HD Net Moives for FREE:p  

About Two Months ago they put it up for free,  You can find it on
Satellite  Galaxy 9 at 127.o W L  tp 18  
                               ch  33  HD Net
                               ch  49  HD Net Moives

So why should I pay for it when I get it Free, can't wait till this weekend for CART at Road America.
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Friday Aug 01, 2003, 11:11:29 AM
What is free to air?  What type of equipment is needed for this?

Thanks in advance, and enjoy the racing.

Starving
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: oz on Friday Aug 01, 2003, 12:23:02 PM
It sounds like a cool idea, but I don't think it's available in the US.

http://www.freeview.co.uk/

Freeview channels and services are digital. You receive them through a rooftop aerial.

You pay a one-off equipment cost for a digital adapter that allows your existing television to receive the digital signals. This connects to your existing aerial socket and costs under £99.

Or you can buy an integrated digital TV with the adapter built in (an iDTV).

Then, once you are set up to receive Freeview, there is no more to pay (you may need to upgrade your aerial) and no contract. Freeview really is free-to-view.
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Friday Aug 01, 2003, 03:26:16 PM
Free to Air is MPEG-2 DVB the same thing Dish & Direct TV use.

The Recevier is hooked to old Primestar Dish mounted to a dish mover on a pole so I can get the hole sat arch.  You could say its like a C-Band system but  a digital DVB-band. I get satellites form 79.oW to 138.o W  in the same way the C-Band system worked.

You can get all the stuff at //www.skyvision.com  then click on MPEG-2 and look at receivers, dishes, dish movers and they have a list of channels that they can pick up.

Some of the channels I get for FREE are : Montana PBS , The WB east & west , FX - east & west , Fuel , OLN , RFD-TV , NBC  E C M P,  PAX TV  E M P , Newsworld International , Outdoor Channel East & West , The Sportsman Channel ,  IFC , CNBC,  CNBC World,  and the following Fox Sports Net  South, West2, Southwest, Detroit, Midwest, West, Rocky Mountain, Pittsburgh, Northwest, Northwest Alternate, and Arizona
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Todd Wiedemann on Friday Aug 01, 2003, 03:53:50 PM
Hi Malamute, I'm *really* interested in what you are doing.

Can you describe what hardware you have and a ballpark of how much it all cost ??

I've tried to convince my wife to get C-Band/4Dtv, but she's unwilling to go with the 'big' dish. This may do the trick.

Are you able to get all of those out-of-market affiliates they show at skyvision ?? How about wild feeds ??

Thanks !

Todd.
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Friday Aug 01, 2003, 07:45:38 PM
Thanks for the link.  I'm very interested as well.  Especially in HD material.

Do any of those receivers output High Definition?

Is there a guide to this stuff for dummies?  I'm a super newbie here.

Thanks again,

Starving
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Friday Aug 01, 2003, 09:36:14 PM
Todd, I pick up all my stuff at ebay.com cheap!  I think I spent about $300-$400 for everything.  If you goto lyngsat.com and look at all the sats the local channels that are DVB I do get,  wild feeds too, but you need to find out what times cause they change weekly or monthly including ABC, CBS, NBC wild HD feeds and the National PBS HDTV feed.

One set of locals I do watch are the Anchorage AK, why?  because I do dogsled with my own dogs and watch the coverage of the Iditarod Dogsled Race in March.

I mounted it on the same mount as a dish/direct dish would be.  The dish mover to that and the dish to the mover, you can use an 18" dish but I went bigger 20" or 24" will work fine.  

The recevier I have Corship 5300 CI and outputed to my HDTV decoder then into the HDTV Sony 34" I bought.  It will move the dish remotely the other three that will do it are Pansat 330A, Pansat 2300A , Pansat PVR 700HC this one cost $700.00

The only hard part was the up or down on the dish to get max signal from the sat's.  If I remember right its about 31 for me in the watertown area were I call home.

One more thing these dish movers can hold and move dishes 48" wide, so they are well built and to last.

Goto ebay click on Home Electronics then Other Providers and you might pick up everything pertty cheap like me and be happy.
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Todd Wiedemann on Saturday Sep 13, 2003, 11:37:35 AM
Malamute -

I'm still interested, but would like a better idea regarding what I need to purchase.

Looks like a receiver, dish and dish mover, right ??

How are you "passing through" the HD material ??

Thanks !
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Monday Sep 15, 2003, 03:58:52 PM
Todd, I have it set up this way.  
         Receiver to Dish with RG6
         Receiver to Dish Mover with RG6
         OTA Antenna to set top box with RG6 but ?
         Receiver to set top box are mixed with a dixplexer
   before ant in on set top box then STB to TV with RG6
         I use the compression type F-connecters on the RG6 cable, cause they don't crush the cable.

    My receiver has an output for dish mover coax cable so you will need two coax cables up to the dish and dish mover.
    At skyvision you can but a satellite aming chart that is set to your local area so it very easy to follow and will get the dish pionted right and cost about $13.00 but worth IT!!!!

    The Set Top Box/Decoder does fine to decode local digital and from my receiver mainly for PBS HDTV and HD Net & Movies.
    Its a small start up system that most people can do,  but I am looking at a Dish Network system maybe next year when their new dish and receivers come out and are on the market for awhile.  
     But like I said, why pay for it when you can get it for FREE:D
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Tuesday Sep 16, 2003, 11:20:06 AM
It sounds like I have to buy a set top box/decoder AND a receiver to watch in HD.  Is that true?  Which models are compatible with high definition?

Thanks in advance,

Starving
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Friday Sep 19, 2003, 07:41:12 PM
First thing is the Receiver  stay with the Pansat models or Coship models, or Samsaung make some too and are realy good rec's.  I use the Coship 5300CI unit.  I'm passing the signal through the rec to a set top box/digital tunner/HD decoder cause my tv doesn't have it built in.  I get the 1080i signal from the decoder and the rec can put out a 16:9 image.

 If you want to check out spec on the rec's you can goto //www.dmsiusa.com they carry the Coship line of rec's.  I did check out ebay and saw a Pansat 2300A + Dish + LNBF for $169 + S&H when this rec sells for $299 by itself at skyvision worth buying it just how I bought mine.
They also have dish movers on ebay too, you need to check it out.

I goto lyngsat.com to see what going on for Free TV and what new channels are coming on Direct TV and Diah Network too. They tell you what channels and what satellite they are on.

One thing that I did buy to help set up the dish right was from skyvision and it a satellite arch chart to your area.  You can use it for a C-band system or a Ku-band/FTA system.  It cost about $13.00 but worth it, it make the set up easyer.

You can set it up with out a dish mover with two speical switches and use non moving dishes to the satellites you want to get. Or you get 4 input switch and put one on the dish mover and three dishes to three different satellites. That is how much fun you can have with this system.

I will say that this past sunday I was scanning the satellites to see If I could find the wild feeds for NFL Sunday Ticket but can say anymore?  You just have to get a system and find out for yourself












;)
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Monday Sep 22, 2003, 10:33:54 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Malamute
I'm passing the signal through the rec to a set top box/digital tunner/HD decoder cause my tv doesn't have it built in.  I get the 1080i signal from the decoder and the rec can put out a 16:9 image.

I have this STB:

  http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=3DjfJmPorS3fKlyHyUTVLSzmQp2zk0sBrYg=?CategoryName=hav_SatelliteReceivers%2fRecorders_SatelliteReceivers&ProductSKU=SATHD200&Dept=hav

Will that work with the system you are describing?

Thanks for the help.

Starving
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Monday Sep 22, 2003, 06:27:05 PM
What I use is the Samsung  SIR-T165 Digital Terrestrial Receiver.  

The one that you have linked is for Direct TV, not the same thing but it can decode OTS DTV signals which may work?  Because I don't have Direct/Dish Net, they cost way to much and can't afford them.

You can try it, but the way I have it, its works fine for me.

PS I did fined the WWE pay per veiw for last night WIDE OPEN:D  some very good matches.
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: uplinkguy on Tuesday Sep 23, 2003, 12:38:31 AM
NFL in the regular season is almost all sent via fiber from the stadiums.  The few exceptions being the playoffs and any HD productions.  Vyvx still can't transmit HD on their fiber yet.

The NFL ticket games should all be scrambled.  Once in a great while in the analog days, a game would open up because an affiliate's decoder would go down and the network would turn it in the clear.

The preseason is a free for all because of the temporary ad-hoc networks that buy up the rights.  Scrambling these would be too difficult to coordinate between all the stations of different affiliations in different markets.


I know some people that typically uplink the WWE events.  I'll ask them if it was a mistake that the event wasn't encrypted.

good luck with the hobby, malamute.
andy
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: StarvingForHDTV on Tuesday Sep 23, 2003, 08:51:20 AM
Malamute,

Thank you for the info.  On your Samsung, how do you have the signal from the satellite receiver coming to it?  Through the antenna in coax input?  You trick the Samsung into thinking your satellite feed is an OTA signal?

Sorry for so many questions.  I'm totally unfamiliar with this stuff.  I don't want to buy the wrong equipment.

Thanks for all of your help.  It sounds like a fun hobby with some nice perks every once in a while.

Starving
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Thursday Sep 25, 2003, 06:57:18 PM
uplinkguy:  the rule of thumb is they should be encrypted, but I do pick up stuff that is not encrypted.  Also if they forgot to turn on the encryptor unit then its fair game.  I will say that it is hit and miss when it comes to picking up the signal but that is why my little black book of tips, tricks and clues I found from web sites.

Todd & Starving for HDTV

Asking some many questions NOT a problem, the more I can help I'll try to answer them the best I can.  With all this talk I'm thingking about putting up the C-Band dish system that I bought on ebay, receiver/dish mover/mesh dish/feedhorn cause there are some free channels on C-Band and 4DTV feeds, I found them and will list them below.

CB = C-Band    /   DC2 = Digichiper 2   /   M2 = MPEG-2

AMC 5  79.0W                                    AMC 9  85.oW
kued pbs salt lake city  M2                   NASA TV  CB
KULC  ind  salt lake city  M2                  WorldNet  M2
OETA   DC2
New York Network  M2                       Galaxy 11  91.oW
                                                           The WB  east + west M2
AMC 3  87.o W                                    FSN South M2
Michigan Goverment TV M2                 FSN West 2  M2
TVU   M2                                             FSN  Southwest  M2
The University Network  CB                Sunshine Network  M2
PBS X  west  DC2                               FX  east + west M2
PBS Kids       DC2                               TV Games Network M2
PBS You        DC2                               Fuel         M2
PBS  X East  DC2                                Shop at Home CB + M2
PBS east  M2                                      EWTN  M2
PBS You   M2                                       NBA TV   DC2
PBS  X      M2                                       Bloomberg TV DC2
PBS Kids  M2                                        KXLA TV   DC2
PBS HDTV  M2                                      KJLA TV    DC2
Bloomberg TV  M2                               KTVD TV UPN Denver DC2
                                                           Varsity TV
Telstar  6  93.o W                                KRMA TV PBS Denver DC2
TCT World  M2                                  Ovation the Arts Network DC2
PBS  X  CB                                         MBC Network DC2
                                                          KVMD TV  M2
Galaxy 3C  95.o W                             KLUZ  TV  M2
WorldNet   M2                                    KHIZ  TV   M2
Huntsville MUX  M2                             OLN  M2
abc/cbs/nbc/fox/wb                            FSN Pittsburgh  M2
                                                           FSN South  M2
TelStar 5  97.o W                               FSN Southwest M2
NETV  DC2                                          FSN Arizona  M2
NETV 2  DC2                                       FSN Detroit  M2
UATV   M2                                           FSN Midwest  M2
TCT World  M2                                    FSN Rocky Mountain  M2
NETV PBS HDTV DC2                           FSN West  M2
BYU - TV   M2                                      RFD-TV  M2

Galaxy 4R 99.oW                               AMC  4  101.oW
Reformation Channel  M2                   WPCB TV  M2
KCHE  TV  M2                                      WACX  TV  M2
Worldharvest TV  CB                           Daystar TV  M2
Shepherds Chapel Net  CB                 NBC  E/C/M/P  M2
Columbus/Tupelo MS mux M2             Golden Eagle Brd  CB
abc/cbs/nbc/fox/pbs                           University of California TV M2
                                                           Familyland Network  M2
AMC  1   103.oW                                 Safe TV  M2
PBS  X  DC2                                        3ABN  M2
Pax TV  E/M/P  M2                               LLBN  TV  M2
WCLF  TV  M2
Total Living network M2                   Anik F1   107.3 W
MTV 2  CB                                          Atlantic Satellite Network M2
                                                         The Green Channel  M2
Galaxy 10R  123.oW                         CTV Red  M2
The Outdoor Channel East CB+M2   CTV Green  M2
                            West  M2              CTV Blue   M2
KFDF Tv UPN Fort Smith M2               Newsworld International M2
KPBI Tv Fox Fayetteville M2               the Weather network  M2
KTWO NBC Casper   M2
KKTU  NBC Cheyenne  M2                 Galaxy 5  125.oW
Research Channel  M2                        TBN  CB
KQUP UPN spokane  M2                      CNBC  M2
KTVC  PAX Panama City M2          
WPXS Pax Mount Veron M2              Galaxy 9  127.o W
KYPX Pax Camden  M2                        HD Net  M2
KWBF  WB  Little Rock M2                   HD Net Movies  M2
KWBM WB Springfield  M2        
WBVT  UPN  Burlington M2               TelStar 7  129.o W
KWBS Pax Eureka Springs M2            TVW  M2
WBMM PAx Montgomery M2               Sportsman Channel  M2
WMQF  Fox Marquette M2                  IFC  M2
KMMF Fox Missoula MT  M2                Tennis Channel  DC2
                                                         The Vision Channel DC2
Satcom C3  131.oW                           America's Collectibles Net CB
Northwest Cable News DC2
Court TV WEST  DC2                        Galaxy 1R  133.oW
Music Choice/Audio DC2                     Classic Arts Showcase CB
America's Store  CB                            EWTN CB
FSN Northwest  M2                             ShopNBC CB
FSN Northwest Alternate M2               I-Life TV  M2
GAC Great American Counrty DC2      Inspiration Network CB

Satcom C4  135.oW                          AMC 7  137.oW
The California Channel M2                 Anchorage mux  M2
QVC  CB                                              abc/cbs/nbc/fox/upn/pbs
HSN  CB
Tech TV  CB                                       AMC  8  139.oW
TV Games Network DC2                     KTOO  PBS Juneau AK  M2
C-SPAN 2  CB                                     Gavel to Gavel  M2
                                                           NASA TV  M2
                                                          ARCS  M2

Also there is on Galaxy 10R 123.oW is Showtime HDTV WEST DC2

So I hope this list will help you out.

I do get the sat tv guide called Orbit, you can find it on the shelf at a store I goto is Greenfield News & Hobby at 68th and Layton and it will be on the end cap by the tabloyds and in the back of it they do list some on the wild feeds.  Its for C-Band/Dish Network satellite tv for the month by month and some other good info in it.

Let me know when you get it up and what you find?
Malamute
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Thursday Sep 25, 2003, 08:28:22 PM
sorry, the way I typed the sat list in didn't come out as I planned.  But you can see all the channels and what satellites that there on.
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Todd Wiedemann on Friday Sep 26, 2003, 09:08:24 AM
Wow, thanks Malamute.

The list is awesome.

I'm a news junkie and wild feed wannabe. Those out-of-market locals really interest me. I'm getting close to pulling the trigger.

Is your LNB strictly Ku band or a hybrid C/Ku ??

How tough was the first alignment ?

Have you done business with MPEG2FTA (http://www.mpeg2fta.com) ??

Thanks much.
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Friday Sep 26, 2003, 06:08:00 PM
Todd,

My LNBF is only for Ku Band.

For set up I used from skyvision.com was the SITE COORDINATES FOR YOUR SPECIFIC LOCATION   #02-6500003  $12.95 plus $2 for S&H  and they can fax it to you if you want, I did.

Sorry I've never found or heard of the web site you listed, but will check it out.. I got all my stuff off ebay.com

I know that the recievers (MPEG2) will not decode the DC2 signal
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Todd Wiedemann on Sunday Sep 28, 2003, 01:54:43 PM
Hi again ...

Would you mind taking a look at this (http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.shtml) site ??

Are those all of the channels you can receive, or just the pink or green ??

Also, check out RoxSat (http://roxsat.biz/default.php?cPath=20_5) ... this is their systems page.
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Wednesday Oct 01, 2003, 03:56:18 PM
Todd,  

I goto lyngsat.com all the time, if you looked at the free TV section you need to know which satellite's are in our area.
When you goto lyngsat, on the main page on the left side you will see is Frequencies and under that is Asia, Europe, Atlantic, America, click on America and if will bring a list of sat's up starting with EchoStar 3 61.5 W to EchoStar 5 at 157.0W and all the satellites in between we get.  To see what on each sat click on the name and it will bring up the transp.  with C-Band , Ku-Band ,  Ka-Band .

If you goto the Packages you will see all the satellites with Digital Programing on it, if you have direct or dish you can click on their name and see what channels are on which transponders.

The color code (the blue colors) dark are the newist lighter are older one's.

That web site is very nice and their price's are pertty cheap!!!!
All the model's are the best ones out there, like I said mine is a Coship 5300CI  and I like it.  Buy what you like the most, but they don't come with the dish mover unit, you can get one from some place.

Now you see why I have this system, is fun to explore cause you never know what you'll find!!!!

Malamute
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: tazman on Friday Oct 10, 2003, 06:58:34 PM
Hi  Malamute  I too am new to the HD seen.  I am also very interested in what you are doing with the ku-band FTA receivers.  What puzzles me and the question I have is the connection between the FTA receiver and your STB HD decoder tuner box.  Are you outputting the signal from the loop through connector on the FTA receiver to the STB or are you using the RF channel 3 /4 of the FTA and outputting that  to the STB?  Also how is a ATSC STB able to decode DVB broadcasts from the FTA receiver?  I thought they were apples and oranges.  If you could help me on this I want to go with this type of setup also.  I am currently running a 2.66 ghz P4 PC as a home ET PC with a Haupauge WINTV-HD card connected to my Sony KF60XBR800 LCD rear projection set.

Thanks
Title: HD NET & HD Net Moives FTA
Post by: Malamute on Tuesday Oct 14, 2003, 04:10:54 PM
Tazman,  I use the RF out not the loop out on the sat receiver.  The connection to the STB is with a Dixplexer one from the sat and one from the antenna to the antenna input on the SIR T165 unit.  I've set the T165 to output a native signal so what it brings in anolog or digital signal it will output the right way.  Some freinds on mine have Direct TV HD and I did compare them (the Signal and Picture look for HD Net) and they look the same to me.

How to hook up to a computer? That I can't answer, sorry.  You may want to try the way I have mine setuped.  I wish I could help you on that but can't.

But that's why this FTA system is so much fun to play with and what you can find up-there!

Malamute