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[Tom Snyder]

 

number of HD sets in the Milwaukee market.

The problem here is that there are more people with HDTV sets that don't even know about our site than those that do, and many who do will probably never register. My guess (posted in another thread) is that there are probably 20,000 HDTV's in SE Wisconsin... that gives us about 1% participation rate here.

And about 2.3% HDTV unit penetration of the SE WI TV market

[ReesR]

 

Originally posted by techboywi:
Hmm.. 100 hrs per week... 7 networks in your list, thats roughly 14 hours per network per week.  A week is 168 hours, so, HD programing makes up less than 10% of their programing schedule


Yeha..I'd call that expirmental...

Sheesh, that is completely unfair to compare 7 different "Weeks" worth of time to ONE individual's "Weeks" worth of time.  No matter how you arrive at it, I still only have 168 hours a week minus sleep time minus other responsibilities to watch any tv.  To say otherwise is to prove the old saying "there are lies and then there are statistics". To have over 100 hours a week of high definition programming gives me a huge amount of choice.

[ReesR]

 

Originally posted by Tom Snyder:
Not sure how I should feel his repsonse:

A: Tim Cuprisin -- That's a question even local TV stations can't answer. ......deleted......Until there's a handle on the number and until that number is way more than the 200 or so who are registered members of your forum, HDTV isn't a player in the market.

Tim's logic is flawed.  The gauge of numbers should not be based on someone's ability to find this site. Heck, with that logic jsonline.com may be experimental too.

Rees

[Tom Snyder]

   

Hmm.. 100 hrs per week... 7 networks in your list, thats roughly 14 hours per network per week. A week is 168 hours, so, HD programing makes up less than 10% of their programing schedule


Yeha..I'd call that expirmental...

I'm an NFL fan... There are only 4 networks that broadcast NFL games. 2 networks air 7 hours per week, the other 2 do 4 hours per week. That's 18 hours per week. A week is 168 hours, so that's less than 3%!!!!  

BTW... Not that really makes a difference, but what about the 168 hours of HDNet/DTV Pay Per View, and the 168 hours of Discovery HD?

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[Gregg Lengling]

I resent the "teenage techno-geek" comment.  I'm a proud 50 year old Electrical Engineer specializing in RF communications and I don't wear a pocket protector and don't play video games.  Sheesh, and I don't speak techno-babble, just do a search of this site to see how I've laid out definitions in Layman's terms that even Tim's readers could understand.

As always,
PYSCHOLOGY:  The science of inventing words for things that do not exist.

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Gregg R. Lengling
RCA P61310 61" 16x9
HiDTV Pro 2 computer reciever card
glengling@ameritech.net

[techguy1975]

 

Originally posted by ReesR:
Tim's logic is flawed.  The gauge of numbers should not be based on someone's ability to find this site. Heck, with that logic jsonline.com may be experimental too.
Rees

Um...you're missing the point of what he said...  And taking it out of context.  He is implying that, as of now, the only real measure on the amount of people who have HDTV, are the number of people registered here.  Unless you can tell me how many DTV sets American, Flanners, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc, sold, and how many sets are actually setup in peoples home (a actual number, not Tom's "guess" from a earlier post), then Tim's statement is correct.




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[techguy1975]

 

Originally posted by lummox:
I resent the "teenage techno-geek"

Again...missing the point..  He said that those who made fun of his name made themselves look like "teenage techno-geeks" he did not call everyone a techno-geek.

Sheesh...how about we actually READ what people are saying before leaping to conclusions?

[StarvingForHDTV]

techboywi,

Is your real name Tim?

Starving

[ReesR]

It's amazing what people will say when they can hide behind a token name.

techboywi, are you saying that lummox, mcq, and myself are all wrong and your always right?  You seem to always take the opposite view points of people on this board who are in favor of promoting HDTV.  I wonder why that is.  There certainly is a trend.

How about telling us who you are.

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Rees Roberts
Racine, WI
reesr@wi.net

HDTV Receiver:  Sony KD-34XBR2 16X9
Bi-directional AntennaCraft VHF Yagi Model #2260P
+
2 Winegard PR9022 UHF yagi's pointing N & S
Antennas at about 30 feet
Samsung SIR-TS160 HD Directv receiver

[Tom Snyder]

For those who missed it, or for those who want to relive the moment, the transcript is http://www.jsonline.com/enter/tvradio/nov02/94172.asp"> HERE (Read from the bottom up to follow the actual chat)

You can just feel the love in the room! Especially in the 2 posts at the bottom of the transcript page)  :0

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[Joseph S]

 

Madison's the 97th largest market and a town with a large number of university-age radio listeners, which allows it to have a bit more diversity in radio. Milwaukee's #33, and its stations can't be as quirky.

Why not? Quirky is a whole lot better than bland, identical, and not worth listening to. I'd venture to guess that all of the top 20 markets have no problems with quirkiness. I know Boston had no problem with WAAF, WBCN, and the college stations.

His other comment about the radio hosts is true. No matter how poor a job I think Mark Reardon does at times, he is one of the best there. The other "Conservative" talk show hosts on that and the other station can't even keep their own "views" straight. One day it's personal responsibility, the next day it's the media's fault you got caught stealing, driving drunk, or punching up a prisoner.

I remember hearing one of the two hosts preaching about how holy-ier than thou the United Way(their station's charity) was compared to the Red Cross up until they were found out to be doing the same exact thing. I never heard a peep about it and haven't really listened since. They do nothing but try to rip off Rush Limbaugh and come across as total phonies. At least when I listen to the fools call into WSCR, I know they're telling me how they really feel.

My radio reception isn't the greatest, but am I missing something? There are only two AM stations in the 33rd Market? If it weren't for clear channel stations from Chicago, Atl, Boston, Pitt, etc. there wouldn't be any nighttime radio in Milwaukee outside of syndicated crap run on WTMJ and WIZZN. It's pretty sad when the best host on a station is Clark Howard.   They'ld be better off feeding the audio from Conan O'Brien's show than the junk they presently use.

The last two questions in that chat were perfect. I can't believe they made it into the transcript.  


 

My husband and I saw a TV show a few nights ago where a fully clothed woman (I think she was playing a doctor or a nurse) was speaking with a male co-worker at a hospital. As she spoke, he suddenly had a vision (fantasy) of her wearing only her pink bra and bikini panties. Then the scene switched back to her fully clothed and he shaking his head at what had just happened. In another program a day or two earlier, a sitcom, a man placed his hands directly on a woman's breasts because she was complaining that they were not large enough and he wanted to "show" her that they were "just right." She then unbuttoned her blouse and revealed much of her chest (she was wearing a bra) as she again argued that her chest was inadequate. Sorry for the long letter, but one more example also from just the past week. My family and I (husband, son and I) were watching a show where the woman who seemed to be the lead character -- I think she was a lawyer or maybe even a judge -- found herself in a real hurry. She was wearing a dark, conservative pantsuit -- jacket, blouse and slacks. I was not paying real close attention, but the premise seemed to be that she needed to change her clothing quickly and get to some dressy function. So while still in her office and speaking with some man, she took off her jacket and then undid her pants and lowered them as the man watched in apparent surprise. She was wearing only her white blouse and her dark panties when she "realized" that she was undressing in front of this man. She asked him to turn his back so she could finish changing. The camera remained on him while she did so. She then asked him to zip her dress. Again, these are three examples that I happened to see just in the past week or so. I am not sure this is a problem

Me too!  

Do they need this much description? They were pulling his chain just to see if they would post it.

[techguy1975]

If any of you would bother to check my profile, you would see I am not who you may think.  My profile contains my name, email and website addresses.

I am not trying to take sides at all, I am more sitting on the fence,  However, when someone misquotes, or take things out of context, such as you did in earlier posts, I will not be afraid to call you on it.

If you take that as "HDTV Bashing" then you really need to turn off that set for a few hours and get a life...

You refuse to believe that any other opinion other than your own could hold any merit at all, you trounce over anyone who his ideas that differ than your own.  Take me for example, when I defend someone elses opinion, or defend YOU YOURSELF Mr. "ReeseR", misquoted and took out of context a comment from the chat, you twisted his words to suit your own agenda, and when I call you on it, I'm the bad guy?

That is HARDLY fair

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[techguy1975]

 

Originally posted by StarvingForHDTV:
techboywi,

Is your real name Tim?

Starving

Read my profile.

[ReesR]

I sent Tim the following email:

Tim:

I tried to share with you during the interactive chat, on Friday November 8th that HDTV is deserving of more of a positive stand on HDTV than you have chosen to provide your reading consumers.  With more than 100 hours of current programming per week to choose from I simply do not understand your position at all.  Your attempts to convince your readers that HDTV is not worth the investment is only helping to hurt the process.  It does nothing to encourage bringing this technology to the forefront and certainly helps to confuse the consumer.  Should that be your role?

Today, I see the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) is embracing it in a very engaging way (see the article below).  Why can't you?  I urge you to put one in your home and see what those who have and use it on a day-to-day basis understand that you do not.  It is worth it and is not experimental.  What is it going to take to convince you that you may be wrong?  My guess is experience.  I have that HDTV experience and you simply do not.  Please, before you do more harm, please get some experience of your own in the comfort of your own home and then judge it.  You just might be surprised at your own conclusions.


The following link is that article from the CEA describing in even greater detail the emphasis that high definition television is receiving at the national level:
http://www.digitalbroadcasting.com/content/news/article.asp?docid=%7B38FE31BD-CA23-4A3E-AAF7-BFA8B34AF362%7D">
LINK

Regards,

Rees Roberts
Racine, WI

Edited by Tom Snyder to embed link URL

Thanks Tom!

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He replied with this:

My role is not to be a spokesman for the Consumer Electronics Association, which is a trade organization for people who sell televisions.

--Tim Cuprisin

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I then attempted to mind meld with him with the following:

Tim:

You don't get it.  You are certainly not there to drag down something good when you have not experienced it yourself. I merely shared with you the press release from the Consumer Electronics Association to give you additional perspective that this is bigger than you give it credit for. I certainly did not suggest that you should be a spokesman for any group. You can disagree all you want but you are merely playing into those, much like the luddites, who just did not accept anything new. Think about it.  

Another reference link for you:

http://carbon.cudenver.edu/~mryder/itc_data/luddite.html">
LINK

What if, for example, you were to try HDTV in the comfort of your home and then report your educational experiences?  Or better yet, why not

use this period to focus on the technology to help your readers to come up to speed.  Do you use a typewriter still?  What did it take for you to use a computer?  It is this type of resistance to change which I perceive you are propagating.

Digital television has more promise for the future of the media than anything else since the beginning of television.  A bit more vision and a whole lot less grumbling about what is new would equal wisdom.  We have all seen this type of negative response to new technology for hundreds of years.  I am just sorry you, in your position, can't see the bigger picture.  You should be able to with the resources you have at your disposal. How sad.

Rees Roberts

(Hey Tom, aren't you proud of me, I did the link too) hehe

Anyway, Mr. Crispy responded by saying something very profound:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

--Tim Cuprisin

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End of interactive chat.

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[Tom Snyder]

In that chat, Tim had these two observations:

 

The marketplace still has a major role to play in how this shakes out. But a couple things do have to happen: 1.) Sets capable of receiving HDTV pictures have to be readily available for less than $1,000.

They start at American for $671.00. They have them in stock.
http://www.americantv.com/elec/e_listing.html?xid=1036970635622585&cat=5018&page=1&vendor=ANY&price=6-8&subcat=5019">LINK

 

2.) Consumers have to be able to plug them in and plug in a cable or satellite feed and immediately get HDTV pictures. That'll make it more of a reality from the consumer end.

Call Time Warner, ask for an HDTV Decoder box, plug the three jacks into the back of the above TV, and tune to the 700 range channels and voila... HDTV! HBO, Showtime and Channel 10 now, 58, 4, and 12 within a few weeks.


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