Cuprisin Live Chat!

[beirnead]

This is off topic here and maybe we can move this thread somewhere else, but you stated that channels 58, 4 and 12 are coming to TWC within a few weeks.  I knew about channel 4, but are 58 and 12 coming also?

[Tom Snyder]

In another thread here, Bev Greenberg from TWC said that 12 would be there within the next 30 days.

I misspoke on 58... but I can't beleive it will be very long. And it will probably come faster if we continue to encourage both Bev and Jim Hall from Channel 58 to get it done.

[mcq]

 

Originally posted by techboywi:
He has a good point here:

Q: Tom Snyder of milwaukeehdtv.org -- Lots of interest from people at our site about your published views of Hi Defintion TV. If we promised to go easy on you, would you be willing to participate in a live chat on our site?

A: Tim Cuprisin -- I'd be glad to participate. But you guys have to stop making fun of my last name on your site. It makes you sound like a bunch of teenage techno-geeks.

Tim Cuprisin - I want you to know that my reference to you as "Crispy" is two-fold. First of all, I really don't want to mispell your last name as THAT would be insulting, so I referred to you as Mr. C or "Crispy"... Easier for this teenage (I Wish!) techno-geek to remember. Secondly, my reference to you as "Crispy" is actually an endearment. This is what the James Colburn charcter was called in Sister Act 2. If you remember, his was the stodgy old bureacrat, that just coudn't get it. When the young or hip sisters and students were showing a new look, "Crispy" was the staunchest detractor. I find this charcter to be the perfect metaphor for my perception about your views on Digital television and HDTV. I apologize to you, if you thought otherwise. I will continue to reference you as Mr. C. if you don't mind (or I could use that JSTV guy!?)

To Tech-BOY-wi: Have you actually stopped at the home page to look at our mission statement??

"The purpose of the Milwaukee area HDTV Users Group is to educate, communicate and co-ordinate in order to further the use, enjoyment, quantity and quality of High Definition Television in the Milwaukee area. Whether it's over the air (OTA), or via Satellite (DirecTV or Echostar) or Cable (Time Warner Cable), you'll find it here!"

I might be the only one here who will ask this, but... What exactly are you doing here? You rarely have anything positive or intellectual to add. Either you love to get our dander up, or you are just a masochist. Please go away and come back when you share our enthusiasm about this emerging media!

Which brings me to my last point... (And I should know better than to argue with an idiot (Not you Tim!)) But I stand by my question about "Why Mr. Cuprisin is a jerk about HDTV?" Most writers/journalists, I know, are enthusiastic if not passionate about what they write. I do not see this from the JSTV writer, It's almost as if someone "sentenced" him to this topic. I can tell you that if the JS gave me the opportunity to write about TV, in general, or HDTV specifically I would salivate. I think one could be objective (although Mr Cuprisin often editorializes in his column) and yet be enthusuastic about these emerging delivery systems. I stand by my earlier comment that Mr. Cuprsin is doing damage to the acceptance and broad appeal of HDTV.

I urge you Mr. Cuprisin to get on board with this inevitable media. What must we do to win you over as an ally?? If it means being nice to you, or taking up a collection so you may enjoy an HiDTV PCI card.... I AM IN!

All seriousness aside...What kinda computer do you use Mr. Cuprisin. If you say MAC, we are going to have dance on a whole different level  

Patrick K. McHugh MBA MCSE
mcq@mc-hugh.com
Sony 61HS10 (4x3!!!!)
RCA DTC100
Pioneer VSX-D710S Receiver
Infinity 5.1 (passive) Speakers

Intel 1.8ghz P4 w/ 512mb Memory
Digital Stream HiDTV Pro
ATI Radeon 8500 Dual Monitor Video
Viewsonic (Analog!) 19" monitor
ADI 17" MicroScan Panel
SB Live Platinum
Cambridge Soundworks Desktop 5.1 Speakers

I must be a real techno-geek as I have two full HDTV setups, one acting as a DVR!




[This message has been edited by mcq (edited 11-11-2002).]

[ReesR]

Hey all:

I finally had a chance to post Tim's profound replies to my emails.  I edited the original post of my email to him and placed the "interactive chat via email" in the same post.  Juicy and profound.

Tom:

Thanks for the html help.  Groovy.  (boy does that date me?)

mcq:

I bow to you.

techboywi:

I hope you read mcq's comments and take heed.  We are, if nothing else, passionate about this subject and are merely responding to corporate lack of vision. (of course we aren't talking about you Tim)

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Rees Roberts
Racine, WI
reesr@wi.net

HDTV Receiver:  Sony KD-34XBR2 16X9
Bi-directional AntennaCraft VHF Yagi Model #2260P
+
2 Winegard PR9022 UHF yagi's pointing N & S
Antennas at about 30 feet
Samsung SIR-TS160 HD Directv receiver

[mcq]

Q: Josh of Wisconsin Rapids -- Tim, I keep hearing about the advances of Digital TV and HDTV, is there a difference?

A: Tim Cuprisin -- You need a digital TV to receive high-definition TV pictures. What's going on is a change from the way TV signals are broadcast, from the traditional analog system to digital.

Uh.... not true Tim. Please leave the Techno-geek crap to us Techno-Geeks.

You would need a digital TV TUNER to receive a digital signal. I can display an HDTV signal on my analog Viewsonic computer monitor. I can also receive AND view an HDTV signal on my ProScan 27" regular old TV. Admittedly, the HiDef signal is downconverted.

What you and alot of people on the Forum have lost sight of, is that Digital TV IS NOT HiDEF. I have been watching Digital TV ever since I installed my first DirecTV system.

Anyone who believes that their current analog TV's will become obsolete is just plain wrong! It's not the screen, it's the tuner. While it would be nice to have sub-$1000 TV's, it's MOST important to have cheap tuners. Get us the digital signal first, we can worry about HiDef later.

I watched MNF again from 34-1 (on my Proscan.) It was not in HiDEF, but it was a vast improvement over the 12 signal!

I have a friend who bought the junior version of my 61HS10--an HDTV "ready" television. Without the tuner (and yes those are currently very expensive) my friend does not even have a clue as to what he owns. He thinks that the built-in line doubler, with the bigger screen is the ultimate. He couldn't be more misguided.  

HiDef is nice...nay...wonderful. But a clean digital signal is the real prize. HDTV will come. Digital TV is now.    

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Patrick K. McHugh MBA MCSE
mcq@mc-hugh.com
Sony 61HS10 (4x3!!!!)
RCA DTC100
Pioneer VSX-D710S Receiver
Infinity 5.1 (passive) Speakers

Intel 1.8ghz P4 w/ 512mb Memory
Digital Stream HiDTV Pro
ATI Radeon 8500 Dual Monitor Video
Viewsonic (Analog!) 19" monitor
ADI 17" MicroScan Panel
SB Live Platinum
Cambridge Soundworks Desktop 5.1 Speakers

I must be a real techno-geek as I have two full HDTV setups, one acting as a DVR!

[This message has been edited by mcq (edited 11-12-2002).]

[techguy1975]

 

Originally posted by mcq:
 Please go away and come back when you share our enthusiasm about this emerging media!

Sorry....last time I checked this was
A:A community open to anyone
B:A free country

One of my favorite sayings is, "Opinons are like a**holes, everyone has one.  I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you are entitled to yours.  We do not have to agree.

As for why I'm here, I am interested in this only in the technological end, by that, meaning the complete overhaul of broadcasting as we've known it for the past 50 or 60 years.  This is a momumental change.  I am interested in seeing how stations are going down this path.  I'm sure one day, when my budget allows, I will be posing my own questions about how to optimze my reception.

Now, I am just an observer, who will interject when I feel some people are taking there passion for HDTV to a extreme.  

Being passionate about a hobby or interest is good, it is not good however, when you let that passion overwhelm you, to the point where you become embittered and insulting toward those who don't share your same vision.  

Right now, this is not of importance to me, I have no interest in the near term in investing in this technology.  Does that negate my rights to post in this group?   If so, then Tom, go ahead and delete my account right now.  I did not see a disclaimer anywhere that stated that I must be passionate, or own HDTV equipment in order to post here.  If I have overlooked such a statement, and I am in violation of said policies, again, you may remove my access, and I will never come here again.

Maybe I do stew the pot a little, if anything, it only fosters more debate, and I think some progress has been made because of that.   I have learned alot about HDTV, even from my first days of just lurking around.

I will refrain from some of my postings, I will show a little restraint in "stiring the pot", if you (the collective group, not you personally, mcq) will restrain your more vicious, insulting comments directed at those who don't share your exact view.

P.S. For the record, I am 27, hardly a boy...  The nickname, a common one I use on message boards, and online, refers to my boyish good looks  

-Bob Colon
Milwaukee, WI
ATX/CoreComm Webhosting Support

[Tom Snyder]

Free Country, Open Community, free expression... all of them end with my delete key... Bwa-ha-ha-ha.. what power!!!!

However, I don't intend to abuse that power. Our policy has always been to allow spirited exchanges. Deleting posts has been limited exclusively to inaccurate information (had to do one of those this morning).  Threatening or illegal posts would need to be deleted as well, but fortunately we haven't had any of those yet.

Todd, Kevin, Gregg and I will have to come to an agreement on whether we need to go further.      But, like it or not (and many of us haven't liked it), Bob has had some good points. If we can keep the discussions free of name calling and personal attackes and maintain a professional and courteous level of discourse, I don't think there's a need to delete anyone's account.

[MesaV]

 

Originally posted by Tom Snyder:
If we can keep the discussions free of name calling and personal attackes and maintain a professional and courteous level of discourse, I don't think there's a need to delete anyone's account.

I think we have gone past that point many times already!  Although, I do enjoy some friendly banter.

[mcq]

In posting our mission statement, I guess I also missed some of the point. It was clearly wrong to alienate the single largest voice in the area regarding local television. I believe that I vindicated myself in lowering the tone and extending an Olive Branch to Tim C. (Actually, I extended most of the tree.) I restate my offer to Tim, and up the ante...Tim you have a blanket and open invitation to stop by my house for the purposes of advancing the topic of HDTV. (Please call ahead as I am often not here.) Once again, please do not consider my reference to your last name as insulting, it was not. I just like easier names to remember as you can see by my handle vs. last name.

I have two regrets over my life of posting... One is using the word "jerk" in characterizing my perception of Mr. C.'s stance. I would of chosen a better word, had I taken the time. It was never my intent to impune Mr. C. just his standoffish approach to our Forums topics. Secondly, I should have known better than to engage techboywi (tbw.) My bad for getting anywhere near his sights... blam...right in the head.

I consider myself an amateur expert on the First Amendment, having studied it academically and practically. A trick people use when arguing about Free Speech is either questioning your right to it, or  just shouting louder.

I oppose vehemently to the sanction of tbw or anyone who doesn't think like us (me.) We becoming smarter as we gather in all of the wisdom of all of the voices to be heard, regardless of how foolish we think that is. In the end the our cause is advanced, as true voices beging to singing in unison, diminshing the voices of those opposed. That's what a Democracy is all about...(although we are actually a republic--for a latter time.)

As tbw has declared himself a digital-free zone, I will view him as someone looking to convert (time and $$$ willing) and limit my direct responses to our mission.

As for any additional posts, I will continue to spew facts or carefully researched arguments (opionions!?) I place myself before you (a jury of my digital peers) to admonish me if I fail to live up to that. My email is all over this board, and you can reach me more directly at mcq@ultraserv.net.

Thank-You!

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Patrick K. McHugh MBA MCSE
mcq@mc-hugh.com
Sony 61HS10 (4x3!!!!)
RCA DTC100
Pioneer VSX-D710S Receiver
Infinity 5.1 (passive) Speakers

Intel 1.8ghz P4 w/ 512mb Memory
Digital Stream HiDTV Pro
ATI Radeon 8500 Dual Monitor Video
Viewsonic (Analog!) 19" monitor
ADI 17" MicroScan Panel
SB Live Platinum
Cambridge Soundworks Desktop 5.1 Speakers

I must be a real techno-geek as I have two full HDTV setups, one acting as a DVR!

[This message has been edited by mcq (edited 11-12-2002).]

[mcq]

OH!!!!

You (whoever)can continue calling me a techno-geek... I do not consider that an insult. I kinda wear it as a Badge of Honor!

mcq

[Tom Snyder]

Techboywi insisted:

 

P.S. For the record, I am 27, hardly a boy...

Hey Bob...keep in mind the fact that some of us have kids older than you! Clouds our vision.  

My dad used to come home from work complaining about some damn kid. I'd ask him how old this "kid" was, and he'd reply 36!    

[ReesR]

 

Originally posted by mcq:
It was clearly wrong to alienate the single largest voice in the area regarding local television.

With regard to Tim C...  Didn't he alienate us?  Please stay with me.  This is going to be one of those soul searching posts.

There are always going to be people in high lofty and comfortable places who will not get it.  That much I am certain of.  I am no spring chicken but if we are to be made to feel guilty for our true and honest feelings then we are the loosers.

With regard to techboywi... I spoke out against tbw not because he made good points but in the manner he made them.  He just wanted to mess with me and others while just stirring the pot.  He has all but admitted that.  Therefore, I will now back off as well.

However, I was saddened to hear Patrick (mcq) feel he had mis-spoken.  It is the "establishment" which will eventually come to our point of view Patrick.  We should be proud knowing what we eagerly engage in today will become not only the technologic norm but will thrive with ever new evolutionary forms of what we see today.  The only difference today is the speed of change.  Some are able to deal with it better than others.

I see myself sometimes wanting to shout from the mountain about the insanity that has already occurred.  I spent over $4000 just to get started only to find other local players dragging their feet with so many different methods.  I would include in that list Ch4 for all the time they spent airing digital part time, ch 10 for their lack of follow through on their technology problems as well as their lack of organized use of high definition or multicasting, ch 6, 18 & 24 by their total lack of vision, ch 58 for their use of their virtual channel number and ch 6 & 58 for their use of low power.

One ray of broadcaster light is Ch 12.  They fought city hall to try to get their antenna up to a higher height only having to put it side mounted on their tower.  They came on the air 24X7 with high power.  They did it right.  I tip my hat to them.

The chicken and egg argument just does not play with me because in the end it is the broadcasters responsibility to create their audience not the other way around.  By limiting their audience by any means merely shows how hypocritical they are.  It is not our responsiblity to buy HDTV's just so the broadcaster has enough justification to broadcast programming.  It is the broadcasters responsiblity to create a market which will induce us to buy into it. WISN sits alone who knows and understands this.

But having said this, HDTV technology in other communities are being totally embraced and engaged in. That has not been our experience here in the Milwaukee area.  And networks have expanded their use of high definition programming to the extent that we now have a hundred hours of programming to choose from every week.

So is this experimental or is this a community which does not want to engage and embrace new technology?  A generally agreed upon community which is conservative by nature.  Being a community which is conservative does not make a technology experimental.

I certainly hopes Tim C reads this.  He, more than likely will never respond to these viewpoints or be otherwise real about it.  But Patrick, please do not feel guity about your passion.  Yours at least is genuine.


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Rees Roberts
Racine, WI
reesr@wi.net

HDTV Receiver:  Sony KD-34XBR2 16X9
Bi-directional AntennaCraft VHF Yagi Model #2260P
+
2 Winegard PR9022 UHF yagi's pointing N & S
Antennas at about 30 feet
Samsung SIR-TS160 HD Directv receiver

[This message has been edited by ReesR (edited 11-12-2002).]