Packers/Dallas

[greg210]

Does any1 know if the Packers/Dallas game, on the 29th I believe, will be seen anywhere other than the NFL network??

Thanx

Greg

[Mikey]

In Green Bay and Milwaukee markets it will be on a local network, though I'm not sure which one at the moment.

Other than that, I believe it is only on NFL Network.

Shaping up to be the NFC game of the year and ALOT of the country is going to miss it.

TWC can take back all the channels in the 100's.  I'll trade them all of those "quality" channels for the NFL Network & Big Ten network.

[Tom Snyder]

Channel 12 here in Milwaukee and Channel 5 in Green Bay get to carry it.

Anyone else in the entire state who can't get those channels will be out of luck on this one unless they have Satellite.

[mhz40]

Channel 12 here in Milwaukee and Channel 5 in Green Bay get to carry it.

Anyone else in the entire state who can't get those channels will be out of luck on this one unless they have Satellite.

Sounds like it will be a big night for the bars with D*.

[HDCheeseHead]

Anyone know if channel 12 will be carrying the HD feed of the game?  We're trying to figure out whose house to watch the game at.  My friend with TWC has a new 50+ inch TV he wants to show off, but not at the expense of watching it in SD.  I have D* and we'll watch the game at my house if the game is not in HD on TWC.

[Dan the Man]

that the game on channel 12 won't be in HD. Nothing against channel 12, but why would the NFL network want to give an HD feed out when they probably don't have to. Just another reason to pressure cable companies to pick up the NFL network.

[Gilbert]

that the game on channel 12 won't be in HD. Nothing against channel 12, but why would the NFL network want to give an HD feed out when they probably don't have to. Just another reason to pressure cable companies to pick up the NFL network.

Three reasons why they will carry it in HD:

1. NFL Network always offers the HD feed as part of the deal to carry it.
2. WISN has the equipment to carry it in HD, and
3. They've carried it in HD in the past.

And on a related note, I hope NFL Network goes down the tubes, and so should you. I find it incredible that ANYONE in business would want to restrict their product to people in any way. It just doesn't make sense. And not just football, but sports in general. FOX paid $200 million dollars just to show the Daytona 500 this past year. Why everyone thinks ESPN is the golden goose is beyond me. Sure, with network schedules, a lot of sports need to be on a sports channel like ESPN; that's fine for medium and small markets who don't have full-power independent stations. But on weekends, every OTA network should be jammed with sports. Every local team should be on a local station unless there are conflicts.

I know, if wishes and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas. But business rules dictates that you market your product as widely as possible. Going to the "bird" or cable just restricts you. And if you need proof, look at my Chicago Blackhawks. Our city should be rabid fans of that team, one of the "Original 6". But because, for outdated and and business reasons, it has been kept off TV (over the air and pay TV), we lost a generation of fans here. Our new owner, Rocky Wirtz, is turning that upside down, and wants as many games on OTA as possible next year, and he's gunning to get them on WGN-DT or "anywhere he can". Massive signal and exposure will be great for the team if he can pull it off, which I think he can. He's going to do a lot more stuff (bring back Wayne Messmer, Pat Foley, lower ticket prices, earlier game start times, products in many more stores, etc etc), but one of the big things is getting the games over-the-air and some on Comcast SportsNet when he has to. It's a great business attitude that in time, will pay off big.

Just my $.02

[AndrewP]

that the game on channel 12 won't be in HD. Nothing against channel 12, but why would the NFL network want to give an HD feed out when they probably don't have to. Just another reason to pressure cable companies to pick up the NFL network.

Actually, it should be in HD.
Last year GB-Vikings game on NFLHD was shown on WITI FOX6 in HD.

[RLJSlick]

JS Online said a few weeks ago that it will be in HD.

[brewguru]

Three reasons why they will carry it in HD:

And on a related note, I hope NFL Network goes down the tubes, and so should you. I find it incredible that ANYONE in business would want to restrict their product to people in any way. It just doesn't make sense. And not just football, but sports in general. FOX paid $200 million dollars just to show the Daytona 500 this past year. Why everyone thinks ESPN is the golden goose is beyond me. Sure, with network schedules, a lot of sports need to be on a sports channel like ESPN; that's fine for medium and small markets who don't have full-power independent stations. But on weekends, every OTA network should be jammed with sports. Every local team should be on a local station unless there are conflicts.

I know, if wishes and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas. But business rules dictates that you market your product as widely as possible. Going to the "bird" or cable just restricts you. And if you need proof, look at my Chicago Blackhawks. Our city should be rabid fans of that team, one of the "Original 6". But because, for outdated and and business reasons, it has been kept off TV (over the air and pay TV), we lost a generation of fans here. Our new owner, Rocky Wirtz, is turning that upside down, and wants as many games on OTA as possible next year, and he's gunning to get them on WGN-DT or "anywhere he can". Massive signal and exposure will be great for the team if he can pull it off, which I think he can. He's going to do a lot more stuff (bring back Wayne Messmer, Pat Foley, lower ticket prices, earlier game start times, products in many more stores, etc etc), but one of the big things is getting the games over-the-air and some on Comcast SportsNet when he has to. It's a great business attitude that in time, will pay off big.

Just my $.02

I hope the NFL network thrives.

Years and years ago, baseball teams didn't want their games broadcast on the radio because they thought, "Why give away the product for free, when we can charge admission?"

The games went on radio and even more fans came out to the park.

As recently as 30 years ago, there were only about 30-40 baseball games on television in the local market of the local team. This year, about 130 Brewer games were on TV (on a cable channel which you had to pay for) and they just celebrated record-breaking attendance.

20 years ago, in the NFL, you were lucky to see 4 games in your maket (sometimes 3, if the local team played at home). Pretty soon, they added a Sunday night game on cable and made every game available to fans with the right equipment. Now, you can see 6 games every week and the sport is even more popular.

It was never a right to see every game. Never. We've paid for games for the past 20 years. Nothing wrong with the free market enterprise. If you don't want to watch it, don't pay for it.

Just like with the Badgers, 20 years ago, you were lucky to see even ONE game each year televised live. Usually, they were run on tape delay at 11pm.

It's called progress.

[Jack 1000]

TWC now has a commercial complaining about the $1.10 amount that Big 10 Network wants from them to carry its channel, saying that it would be the "second most expensive channel offered on TWC at that price.  It goes on to say that "last year, these games were free.  It appears that Big Ten Network dropped the ball.  What do you think?"  Than it gives a link to Time Warner's website where you can fill out a form to voice your opinion.  I am sure that the NFL Network on cable is facing a similar fate.

I think that cable subscribers should be petitioning Big Ten Network and NFL Network to come to a fair price that subscribers can afford.  This political bickering BS is so ridiculous.  These athletes are SOOOO overpaid as it is, and now the owners of the sports networks want to give them MORE money?  People have every right to watch the games that they want to watch.  Those games should be available to both Dish and Cable subscribers.  But what is a fair price, and how can a deal be reached?

Football, baseball, and basketball are the last of a dying bread of commercial network sports on OTA television.  There's no reason why at the very least, the major games can not be broadcast on "Free TV."  Where does this sort of greed stop?  Is every school outside of the Big Ten Conference going to demand its own sports channel at an unfair price to cable and dish?  What's next, the Superbowl and World Series off of OTA TV so corporate execs can "make more money?"  It's time for station owners to stop acting like little kids on the playground and start sticking up for the fans.

Jack

[cigarsmkrwi]

The issue isn't the $1.12 per subscriber, ESPN is over $3.00 per subscriber. The issue that TW has with the NFL is they want is as part of thier premium package and the NFL along with The Big Ten insist on having it as part of thier base package.

[Matt Heebner]

TWC now has a commercial complaining about the $1.10 amount that Big 10 Network wants from them to carry its channel, saying that it would be the "second most expensive channel offered on TWC at that price.

I thought that the president of the BTN said the cost per subscriber was less than $.80. I could be wrong about it though.....
Anyways

I can NOT believe that people are actually blaming the BTN and NFL Network because of cable's inability to add those channels.
They are offering a product, and it is the carriers who decide whther it gets carried or not, on premium tiers or not.

I offered these arguments in another post and never got a response.....

1. Why is it that Directv, Dish, and Uverse offer these channels (and the HD counterparts) at NO EXTRA CHARGE to the consumer but TWC is constantly complaining about "costs" to the consumer ?
Last I heard TWC was much, much larger that Directv in these parts, and they charge more too.

2. Why does TWC raise their rates every year with little to no added value ?  You  TWC customers just blindly pay your higher prices year in and year out, but now TWC is 'looking out' for the little guy on this ? WTF ? Is it some sort of joke ? "Hey look, we added the knitting channel which will raise your rates by 5%, but there is no way we can eat a $.80 cost to add the NFL Network....:rolleyes:

This is the US of A, and capitalism rules hard. There are very few if any companies that exist to serve the customer. They exist to make money fair and simple. The market forces will decide whether the business lives or dies.

[RLJSlick]

We don't blindly pay for higher prices, I know exactly how they are ripping us off, but you Dish customers always act like TWC are the only ones that raise fees. If I remember right you guys just got charged a addition fee for a few of your HD channels also, plus I also know that prices have gone up for the Direct TV also.
I'm not trying to defend TWC, god knows I wouldn't do that, but don't act like buying the dish is any cheaper, because when I priced out everything a few month ago, it came out to be about the same.

I thought that the president of the BTN said the cost per subscriber was less than $.80. I could be wrong about it though.....
Anyways

I can NOT believe that people are actually blaming the BTN and NFL Network because of cable's inability to add those channels.
They are offering a product, and it is the carriers who decide whther it gets carried or not, on premium tiers or not.

I offered these arguments in another post and never got a response.....

1. Why is it that Directv, Dish, and Uverse offer these channels (and the HD counterparts) at NO EXTRA CHARGE to the consumer but TWC is constantly complaining about "costs" to the consumer ?
Last I heard TWC was much, much larger that Directv in these parts, and they charge more too.

2. Why does TWC raise their rates every year with little to no added value ?  You  TWC customers just blindly pay your higher prices year in and year out, but now TWC is 'looking out' for the little guy on this ? WTF ? Is it some sort of joke ? "Hey look, we added the knitting channel which will raise your rates by 5%, but there is no way we can eat a $.80 cost to add the NFL Network....:rolleyes:

This is the US of A, and capitalism rules hard. There are very few if any companies that exist to serve the customer. They exist to make money fair and simple. The market forces will decide whether the business lives or dies.

[RLJSlick]

By Tim Cuprisin


"Channel 12 confirms that Thursday night's broadcast of the Packers-Cowboys game will indeed be in high-definition, for those with the right equipment and service. The rest of you will have to muddle through in old-fashioned low-def."