Super Dish Dead!!!!!

[bradsmainsite]

The super dish will officially be dead in May (May 6) in the Milwaukee DMA and locals will switch from 121 to either 110 or 119, so back to the dish 500! :rofl:

This makes HD installs to go to the dish 1000 (about the size of D*'s current triple
lnb setup)

Seems D* and E* have flipped with their dish size! :p

[jkane]

I was just on the roof this weekend trying to figure out how much longer a piece of coax I needed to get my latest receiver off the 500 and connected to the super dish.  Hmmm....   I may still do it anyhow.  I wanted to move my old 500 up north for when we travel.  That's extra interesting if it can then pick up locals from our cottage!  I have an original "deluxe" model dish up there.  Points at 119 only.  That'd be a treat to get everything off one dish.  

[Nels Harvey]

The super dish will officially be dead in May (May 6) in the Milwaukee DMA and locals will switch from 121 to either 110 or 119, so back to the dish 500! :rofl:

This makes HD installs to go to the dish 1000 (about the size of D*'s current triple
lnb setup)

Seems D* and E* have flipped with their dish size! :p

I have E* and am totally confused by this!  I do receive local HD's off air, and HBO HD on the Dish 811.  

Please tell me what is going to change.  I didn't see anything on the E* website.  Does this make my SuperDish obsolete?

Nels....

[AndrewP]

I have E* and am totally confused by this!  I do receive local HD's off air, and HBO HD on the Dish 811.  

Please tell me what is going to change.  I didn't see anything on the E* website.  Does this make my SuperDish obsolete?

Nels....

Nothing will change for SuperDish owners. You will receive locals from 110 instead of 129 satellite. So that means 129 arm will not be used. Unless you have some international channels from 129. But it looks like internationals will move to 61.5 location later.
When Dish light up Milwaukee locals in HD (after May 5, no HD date yet announced, only SD date May 5 was), then you will probably need to replace SuperDish with Dish 1000 (smaller dish) or add Dish 61.5 and replace 811 with 211 (MPEG4) for $49.99 or with HD DVR 622 for $299. Price includes all dishes, switches, receivers.
The advantage of saving SuperDish and adding 61.5 is that you will be able to receive prorgramming from four satellites instead of three in case of Dish 1000.
So, SuperDish is not obsolete, I have now SuperDish and 61.5 Dish and will keep them when I upgrade my receivers (942 and 811) this week.

[StarvingForHDTV]

I think it is amazing that Dish Network has any customers at all.  Who would want to put up with all of this nearly constant dish switching and receiver switching?  Whoever is making these decisions for the company should be running a circus, not a media delivery business.  JMHO

[AndrewP]

I think it is amazing that Dish Network has any customers at all.  Who would want to put up with all of this nearly constant dish switching and receiver switching?  Whoever is making these decisions for the company should be running a circus, not a media delivery business.  JMHO

1. No Dish switch and/or receiver switch is needed now, unless you want to add HD service.
2. D* also requires dish and receivers switches when ordering HD.
3. Even cable companies switch receivers when new models are coming out.

What was your complaint about? You don't like that Dish has HD service with 25 (one more coming shortly) HD channels? When you order HD from TWC they also switch receivers. Sorry, I just don't get your point. Probably you not so Starving for HDTV, I guess.

[mhz40]

1. No Dish switch and/or receiver switch is neede now, unless you want to add HD service.
2. D* also requires dish and receivers switches when ordering HD.
3. Even cable companies switch receivers when new models are coming out.

What was your complaint about? You don't like that Dish has HD service with 25 (one more coming shortly) HD channels? When you order HD from TWC they also switch receivers. Sorry, I just don't get your point. Probably you not so Starving for HDTV, I guess.

I understand Starvings point.  Unfortunatly it's the dirty bathwater that comes with the satellie delivery baby.  It's probably not a big deal for most people... more and more consumers are getting a better understanding on how the stuff is supposed to work.

Does Dish offer true HD or some down-res version of some sort? (i.e: Not 720p or 1080i)  In the commercial satellite world, two hd streams on a transponder is the max.  With 25 channels and full bandwidth HD, Dish would have to use over a dozen transponders... unless it's mpeg4.

[kevbeck122]

The main HD channels are true HD.. the 15 Vooms are 1280x1080i and most of locals are full res MPEG4.

[bradsmainsite]

Here is the deal people 129 will not be eliminated, but it is 121 that will be eliminated which is where milwaukee locals come from.

Current superdish customers will have TO DO NOTHING!  Its just 1/3 of the dish will not be used NO BIG DEAL.

Milwaukee locals will move to sat 110 now instead.  Current HD subscribers with mpeg 2 receivers(811) will still work the same.

New subsribers now only need the dish 1000 which is about half the size of the superdish to get ALL their programing and NO MORE WING DISHES for new HD subscribers or ones that want to upgrade to mpeg4.

As far as dish changing things about their setup check out the new 5 LNB DISH from directv to get just HD locals.

You will always have sat based subscribers just because they couldn't stand to spend one penny with cable for whatever their reason its just the way it is!

[jkane]

This all is probably happening because echostar 10 is finally ready to transmit programming.  The more sattelites they get in the 110 and 119 slots, the more capacity they get there.    I think E*10 is parked at 110, but I could be wrong.

[StarvingForHDTV]

Sorry, I just don't get your point. Probably you not so Starving for HDTV, I guess.

It wasn't all that long ago when SuperDish was created by Dish Network and "sold" as some sort of savior.  The dish to end all dishes.  Now, just a little bit later they are pitching the Dish 1000 as the holy grail.  I think it is rather comical to watch, but I'm not a subscriber to their service.

[AndrewP]

It wasn't all that long ago when SuperDish was created by Dish Network and "sold" as some sort of savior.  The dish to end all dishes.  Now, just a little bit later they are pitching the Dish 1000 as the holy grail.  I think it is rather comical to watch, but I'm not a subscriber to their service.

I don't recall somebody was saying that. But in some places SuperDish didn't work as expected (not in Milwaukee, here we were OK). Dish 1000 will not be a "savior" either. Who knows what will be next. As for me, Dish user, as far as Dish upgrades are free, receivers upgrades are reasonable, I am OK and have no complaints.

BTW, Milwaukee locals scheduled to move tomorrow.
SuperDish installs will end as of May 5.

Continue to enjoy 25 and counting HD satellite channels + all Milwaukee local OTA HD + some Chicago local HD OTA with attic ChannelMaster 4228

[wxndave]

I understand Starvings point.  Unfortunatly it's the dirty bathwater that comes with the satellie delivery baby.  It's probably not a big deal for most people... more and more consumers are getting a better understanding on how the stuff is supposed to work.

Does Dish offer true HD or some down-res version of some sort? (i.e: Not 720p or 1080i)  In the commercial satellite world, two hd streams on a transponder is the max.  With 25 channels and full bandwidth HD, Dish would have to use over a dozen transponders... unless it's mpeg4.

Does TWC give the full 19.39 on their HD service?  I thought they groomed the signal  for all the locals except PBS.

Dave

[jkane]

Are the Milwaukee locals at 110 now too?  What channel numbers should I look for.

[AndrewP]

No, not yet. Changes will occur before May 5.
Yesterday I upgraded 942 and 811 receivers to 622 (Mpeg4 HD DVR) and 211 (Mpeg4 HD). Receivers are great. Even PQ looks like improved slightly. The installer did not know any specifics about when and what satellite will Milwaukee HD locals will go.
Can watch real soccer in HD on WorldSports HD again. Kids liked a lot GamePlay HD.
622 will have 30 hours for HD programs instead of 25 hours with 942.