1080p VS 720p

[Bebop]

Once you have both 720p and 1080p sets in your house, your opinion will change.

50"SXRD vs. 42"3LCD, also old vs new technology.

Watch a a 1080p and 720P with similar technology from 10 feet both screen of same size, 50" or less. Now tell me which one is which?

[Bebop]

I believe it is confirmed that the PS3 with the Blu-Ray will output at 1080p when it comes out in Nov 06.  I think most if not all sneak peaks at Blu-Ray players say they will do 1080p.  The question is whether the movies houses will put the movies in 1080p like Sony plans to do with it's games.

The problem is and am pretty sure that the HDMI input could not handle the bandwidth of the 1080p signal from the source, so you wouldn't even be able to feed a 1080p signal to a current 1080p set for the TV to cross convert from 1080p to 1080i to 1080p on the display.   I believe if you would want to feed one of these tvs a signal you would have to change the output of your player to 720p, 1080i? or 480p because it can not accept a 1080p signal unless it is via firewire/network like Greg said in an earlier post.

The new Panasonic Plasma will able to accept 1080P signal even though it's a  720+P set. So you don't have to change to 1080i, 720p or 480P to downgrade the signal.

[Gregg Lengling]

The new Panasonic Plasma will able to accept 1080P signal even though it's a  720+P set. So you don't have to change to 1080i, 720p or 480P to downgrade the signal.

Which will be good if it really works, current and past production 720p Panny's had problems with 720p signals and actually worked better with 1080i signals as they would flicker in and out with 720p.

[Mark Strube]

Watch a a 1080p and 720P with similar technology from 10 feet both screen of same size, 50" or less. Now tell me which one is which?

Give me properly configured screens, a dimly lit room, a clear 1080i movie... and I'd bet you $10 I could tell the difference.

The 1080p screens have a whole 2nd level of detail. It's subtle, but it's there.

[CrashCamomilli]

A great deal of that depends on viewing distance, Now the positions in my living room vary from 5'-->10'  At 5ft, it may be possible to see the difference, but at 10ft, I really doubt its as large of an issue.

Distance is always key to remember

[Mark Strube]

I'm not paying so much for a screen to sit 10ft away.

I usually sit 4-5 ft away.

[Bebop]

Give me properly configured screens, a dimly lit room, a clear 1080i movie... and I'd bet you $10 I could tell the difference.

The 1080p screens have a whole 2nd level of detail. It's subtle, but it's there.

I know the difference is there, very smooth picture. I have seen them. But my challenge is at 10 feet.

[Bebop]

Which will be good if it really works, current and past production 720p Panny's had problems with 720p signals and actually worked better with 1080i signals as they would flicker in and out with 720p.

It better be. I think the reason is Blu-ray  1080p signal. The chip is for 1080P. It still didn't mention anything about 720P. So the problem might still be there.

No, the signal does not flicker in and out with the 720P. The problem is that it does not process the full 720P resolution. Panasonic is not the only one in that regard.

I knew there was something odd with the panasonic after few days of use. That was 3 years ago. The 1080i signals are always smoother than 720P. And there's a 1080i  label  on the TV box. A magazine finally did some tests with the 720P signal. And that just confirmed  what I observed.

[Mark Strube]

I know the difference is there, very smooth picture. I have seen them. But my challenge is at 10 feet.

Which doesn't apply to my particular viewing situation... so for someone like me, 1080p on a 50" screen makes perfect sense, and is well worth it.

[gparris]

Mark Strube: The ability to sit closer is the deal for me with 1080p, at least for me and it seems, so for you.

Twice the diagonal screen size seating distance to actually see the HD resolution is what you are/should be paying for and at 720p (or 1080i CRT type sets), you do.  After that, you've got some good SD viewing.

One and one-half the diagonal screens size can give you a more immersive experience with sports and movies in HD, but only 1080p seems to allow for that, IMO.

Sitting that 5 feet away from the 1080p SXRD 50" is just right with HD programming.
I should know because when I go to the store and stand (and drool) over one of those 1080p sets, particularily the SXRDs, I find SDE with all LCD RPTVs at any distance less than twice the diagonal.
It depends on your sitting location in your home, as with Mark Strube.

[Bebop]

Which doesn't apply to my particular viewing situation... so for someone like me, 1080p on a 50" screen makes perfect sense, and is well worth it.

I never said it didn't make sense for you.

The original question was that you can tell the difference between a 1080p from a 720P. And somehow it just got digressed.  {cheers}

 spidey

[SamC]

I was on the verge on picking up the 65" Hewlett Packard Pavillion 1080P model this week but I just read an article that the new blu-ray players and the PS3 will not display 1080P on current HDMI connections, they will only display the resolution on the upcoming HDMI 1.3 input/outputs.  Worse yet, you might just get a completely blank screen upon hooking up your new player or videogame system.

Talk about confusion.  I guess I need to wait untill fall (this is when Sony will introduce their new 60" & 70" 1080p XBR sets).  I have been saying my money for over a year to upgrade from my 2003 Sony HDXBR 65" set to the current "latest & greatest" technology.  Guess I will have to bypass the current crop of TV's until their connections are more stable and become industry standard.

How can you justify spending over $5K (TV & Stand) only to find out that in about 6 months it will not accept your new gear at 1080P or worse, not at all (through HDMI that is)

Comments/Suggestions/Advise anyone???

[Matt Heebner]

Some of you guys really  sit 5 feet or closer to your 50 and 60 " TV's.....
wow....

I sit 11 feet from my 55" Mits and sometimes I think that is too close......



Matt

[TPK]

I was on the verge on picking up the 65" Hewlett Packard Pavillion 1080P model this week but I just read an article that the new blu-ray players and the PS3 will not display 1080P on current HDMI connections, they will only display the resolution on the upcoming HDMI 1.3 input/outputs.  Worse yet, you might just get a completely blank screen upon hooking up your new player or videogame system.

Talk about confusion.  I guess I need to wait untill fall (this is when Sony will introduce their new 60" & 70" 1080p XBR sets).  I have been saying my money for over a year to upgrade from my 2003 Sony HDXBR 65" set to the current "latest & greatest" technology.  Guess I will have to bypass the current crop of TV's until their connections are more stable and become industry standard.

How can you justify spending over $5K (TV & Stand) only to find out that in about 6 months it will not accept your new gear at 1080P or worse, not at all (through HDMI that is)

Comments/Suggestions/Advise anyone???

Personally, I have faith that when the time comes there will be plenty of ways around the whole 'analog signal degradation' thing...   Like a HDMI->Component converter or the like that will let us hook up our older sets to the newer components...  OR (better yet) high definition DVD players with a 'super secret' menu that you can enter to turn off the analog degradation thing (I think those players will sell quite well once the 'secret' gets out, wouldn't you think?)

Yes yes yes, I know HDMI is encrypted...  uh-huh, and every television ever made with a HDMI port right now or in the future will have to know how to de-crypt it..  Not a very big leap of the imagination to think that if hollywood creates the market for signal converters by forcing this analog thing down our throat, that someone who wants to make money (know anyone like that?) will create the product to get around the limitations...

I wouldn't let the long range outlook of what ports you are going to be able to use and which ones you arent based on this type of market confusion affect your buying decision..

IF someone can create a chip to turn an x-box game machine into a fully functional computer that runs linux and a web server, someone will definitely be able to convert HDMI into usable high definition analog...

There will always be options....

[CrashCamomilli]

I'm not paying so much for a screen to sit 10ft away.

I usually sit 4-5 ft away.

LOL, I'm just over six foot, are you serious, that you don't even have enough room to lay down in front of your TV?

I'm not trying to start something, I just can't picture ever sitting that close.

At 4 ft, I have trouble seeing the whole picture

48 inches, damn...... you must feel like your actually IN the movie