Kudos to Fox and WITI

[foxeng]

Originally posted by bklass
09/21/04 @ 2:30 PM

I just got off the phone with Directv.  They are swearing to me that they have NO "HD"  feeds of FOX of any kind,  in any part of the country.  There is no way to get the HD feed from Fox on DIRECTV at this time.  Only over the air from your local affiliate.  They just put  NBC up last week, but have no timetable for FOX.

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This is correct. The National FOX HD feed has not started yet.

[summerfun]

Originally posted by foxeng
This is correct. The National FOX HD feed has not started yet.

Are you saying the Packer Game last sunday was not HD?

[smack]

The Packer game was in HD and broadcast in HD OTA and on TWC on the fox 6 hd channel from fox 6 milwaukee.

Foxeng was referring to the national feed of Fox that directv customers will be getting (eventually) This is the New York fox affiliate and they will be putting their signal on D*.  People in the western states will get the national feed out of the LA market.  You will only receive these feeds on D* if your local affiliate is O&O (owned and operated) by Fox.  Which Fox-6 in milwaukee is.

smack

[4runnergusto]

The thing that bothered me about the game is that they didn't put any of the game info on the screen in HD. There wasn't the thing up in the corner with the score, down, where the ball is, or the clock. It was on the SD broadcast. The only time anything would come up is when they would put someones name and stats at the bottom of the page. It made it kind of hard to follow. The announcers rarely would tell the score, or how much time left.

So to this I do not say Kudos to Fox, although it is good they finally have HD going.

Cheers,
Mark

[StarvingForHDTV]

They probably should move things in further to account for people with high overscan.  The information was there, it's just that your display has too much overscan to see it.  I'm sure they will work out the bugs as time goes by.

[summerfun]

All that stuff was on my screen. Should the station change what they send or should people set their HDTV overscan up correctly?

If the station pushes that stuff more to the center, it will look wrong for the rest of us.

[Gregg Lengling]

I think the networks don't have a problem....what we have are Dealers of High Priced Entertaiment Centers no properly setting them up for the customers.  I'm on my second RPTV-HD and never had an overscan problem.  However I do own an AVIA disc and have checked out both sets and don't some touch up convergence.

I just think its very poor that a vendor, either Manufacturer or Retailer, would allow a set to leave their showroom/warehouse in that condition.

[borghe]

remember, on CRT RPTVs it is difficult. Virtually no set will leave the factory or show room floor even reasonably calibrated. Yes if you pay for installation that SHOULD be included, but then you have to pay for someone knowledgeable enough to go into a variety of TVs and pull in overscan and geometry.. and where does it end? Bowing/pincushioning? Skewing? Red push? And what about those who forego installation and use the user controls to dial in convergence themselves? Are they to be punished because they don't know they also need to use the service menus and dial in overscan? This is a TV, not a central air unit or even a computer.

IMHO the bottom line is that it should be the stations. And I am seeing much more of it.. It used to be that the "safe area" was considered 10%. That overscan was "supposed" to be 5% but that usually it was more and 10% will keep everything safe. Now you have people hitting right at or even below 5%. I know my Tivo has messages that go under 5%. The Fox6 logo during the game was right at 5% it seemed.

until everyone or mostly everyone is running fixed pixel direct view displays I think it is irresponsible of broadcasters to assume everyone's overscan is set at 5%. Yes it would be nice if installation were cheap or free and every install included a full blown calibration of CraigM quality.. but that isn't the case, and as long as people are running overscan of more than 5% or non-centered displays, the broadcasters should make sure all relevant information is available inside that 10%...

just my two bits...

[4runnergusto]

OK this is all odd because on avia, I have between 4 and 8 %. You are telling me that all that info is that far off the screen. I see everything on every sporting event. This is the first time that has ever happened. The info displayed must have been less than 2 inches tall and WAY up on the screen. I always see the full ticker on Nascar races. Monday night football was fine. This seems very odd to me.

Mark

[summerfun]

Originally posted by 4runnergusto
The info displayed must have been less than 2 inches tall and WAY up on the screen

It was a long thin line accross the top.