CBS58 multicast

[shawn123]

Ok, no HDTV, and no multicast this is stupid.


Title edited to remove objectionable word

[JimHall]

Shawn;

There is no HDTV available from CBS.  The game sites for Saturday are only produced in SDTV.  And there is no multicast due to the simple fact that all games are now shown one-at-a-time.

However, we are showing the Wisc. Badger Hockey NCAA play-offs on channel 583, as well as on WMLW.  The reason for the 583 simulcast is that we worked out an arrangement for Charter Cable to carry the hockey game into the Fond du Lac and Green Bay markets with our DTV channel.

Hope that clears it up for you.

[Joseph S]

The poster was referring to last night where there was neither the HD broadcast nor the multicast for the Kansas game.

[Greg Oman]

OK, this IS an experiment then??

I'm sorry, the worst thing that we do here is show DIFFERENT programming on the digital stations.  I tune to WISC and atleast I see the OKlahoma vs St. Joe's game, SD.  I tune to WDJT analog and see the same game.  Then digital 46, not 1.1 like the psip says, is showing Sd hockey.

Is it me, or has it been 2 nights of frustrating CBS television here in Milwaukee??

Greg O.

[foxeng]

Originally posted by Greg Oman
OK, this IS an experiment then??

I'm sorry, the worst thing that we do here is show DIFFERENT programming on the digital stations.  I tune to WISC and atleast I see the OKlahoma vs St. Joe's game, SD.  I tune to WDJT analog and see the same game.  Then digital 46, not 1.1 like the psip says, is showing Sd hockey.

Is it me, or has it been 2 nights of frustrating CBS television here in Milwaukee??

Greg O.

That is common practice here. WRAL runs completely separate programming during the day on the analog and digital station and only simulcasting during news and primetime.

During March Madness, WRAL-DT doesn't even program when the games are not on, just a rotating graphic, ala the slide channels on D* announcing the schedule for the games and then they run 4 SD channels and provide the HD games on their fiber feed to cable, so the OTA gets NO HD games, only those on cable have the HD games.

Still think you are being cheated?

(I love it when March Madness is over. WRAL goes back to separate HD only programming on WRAL-DT and 1 subchannel)

[Joseph S]

Still think you are being cheated?

Yes. I have both Cable and OTA and I have received 0 HD NCAA Tourney games out of 8.

[summerfun]

HEY....

We have HD NCAA on Channel 58 as promissed by Jim Hall.

[Greg Oman]

Foxeng-- Yeah, somewhat  

My point is that collectively we need to show the skeptics and non-early adopters that this whole DTV thing is not just a pipe dream.  If they were showing another HD show instead, I would feel a little better, but marginally so.  I have Analog, Local through satellite, and OTA, so I can compare the picture quality.  Without a doubt, the order is OTA, Analog, then satellite for this station here.  For our local NBC affilliate, satellite and analog switch places, as well as for ABC.  That's got to do with the frequencies of each, and my poarticular setup here for analog reception (antenna in attic).

Personally, I'm glad I'm not in your market!  If a station is going to pipe it to a cable/satellite provider to distribute, then they ought to have to broadcast it OTA (assuming they also presently broadcast analog OTA).  Otherwise, might as well just become a cable only station like HGTV or something...

Greg O.

[summerfun]

I thought the game today was a little pixely. Mostly during fast action. I know that is a problem with 1080i more so than 720p. However, I wonder if some of the bandwidth was still being allocated to the SD multicast channels, or if that would make a difference.

I know they announced that during the Super Bowl, all the bandwidth would be given to the HD game. Did that happen today?

[Joseph S]

I know they announced that during the Super Bowl, all the bandwidth would be given to
the HD game. Did that happen today?

They've never given all bandwidth to HD. At best it has been "most." CBS 58 continues to multicast because even after 2+ years of infighting they still don't have a fiberoptic link to TWC. Thus no WMLW on TWC or Univision without the multicast.

[foxeng]

Originally posted by Greg Oman
Personally, I'm glad I'm not in your market!  If a station is going to pipe it to a cable/satellite provider to distribute, then they ought to have to broadcast it OTA (assuming they also presently broadcast analog OTA).  Otherwise, might as well just become a cable only station like HGTV or something...

Well WRAL isn't in my market, but the next market over, but we do see it here quite well. (WRAL is the station that went on first with HD in 1996 as an experimental station and was the first station to do ALL of the newscast, including stories shot in the field, remotes and sat shots in 1080i, so these people aren't really slackers by any stretch, but they went for the dollar this time over the HD for OTA.)

The CBS station to the market to the north (Roanoke, VA) put up multichannels for the NCAA and did run one of them HD, but the local CBS here only ran what was on their analog so if the game they had on the analog happened to be in HD then they had it, otherwise it was just an upconvert of the analog while they ran their radar channel along with it.

[oz]

Originally posted by summerfun
I thought the game today was a little pixely. Mostly during fast action. I know that is a problem with 1080i more so than 720p.

Actually, things looked really good to me on TWC 505. No pixels or audio-drops outs that I noticed.

[summerfun]

Originally posted by oz
Actually, things looked really good to me on TWC 505. No pixels or audio-drops outs that I noticed.

It was very slight. On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being perfect, it was an 8. The Super Bowl was a 9.

Maybe just becasue there is more "fast action" in basketball than football. However, I don't notice the same issue on Foxsport Net or INHD with their basketball. I give them 9 and 10 most of the time.