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HDTV Forums => Milwaukee HDTV Programming => Topic started by: Tom Snyder on Wednesday Oct 03, 2007, 08:43:05 PM

Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Tom Snyder on Wednesday Oct 03, 2007, 08:43:05 PM
We've been taking a survey since the site started, but the landscape is changing, and we'd like to get a better read on what's happening now...

So how do you get your HDTV..  You may make MULTIPLE Selections. :)
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Bebop on Wednesday Oct 03, 2007, 11:51:17 PM
You are forgetting the U-verse subscribers. :)
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: gparris on Thursday Oct 04, 2007, 05:49:08 AM
Totals are going above 100%, so maybe there should be a OTA with Satellite as a separate line to check off, since it is necessary for most HD satellite subscribers to get at least all four national HD networks and five, if your count The CW network to use OTA.:wave:
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Tom Snyder on Thursday Oct 04, 2007, 10:43:18 AM
Ack.. I can't believe I forgot U-Verse! It's now an option.

We know that the total will go over 100% because we're allowing the multiple choices.. but the main goal here is really to see the relative numbers of Cable vs Satellite. I've heard from a reliable source that Satellite only comprises 10% of the total TV using market here. But I was curious to see the ratio  among our little universe of techno-geeks. :) Thus our little unscientific poll.
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: bradsmainsite on Friday Oct 05, 2007, 08:53:29 AM
Unscientific, but relative non the less!

Great idea had always wondered that myself, and also how many over-the-air users along with the cable or sat to see how close the goverment might be with their 20 million over-the-air figures.

What this is showing me already is despite having cable or sat people are using over-the-air for some reason or another.
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: jkane on Friday Oct 05, 2007, 10:12:10 AM
This is an HD forum, and the best way to get HD is OTA!  It is likely this forum will skew the numbers in favor of more OTA than not.  If it weren't for HD, I would not watch any OTA signals.  It would all be Satellite.
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: bradsmainsite on Sunday Oct 07, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: jkane;41263
This is an HD forum, and the best way to get HD is OTA!  It is likely this forum will skew the numbers in favor of more OTA than not.  If it weren't for HD, I would not watch any OTA signals.  It would all be Satellite.


What you say is true and is happening throughout the country, so one could say
the numbers would be skewed throughout the country then, and not just here in milwaukee.;)
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Bebop on Sunday Oct 07, 2007, 02:38:06 PM
Only 75 forum members?

There is an even split between cable and Sat subscribers. I wonder Sat numbers will change with a new poll three months from now if TW doesn't keep up with the new HD offerings?
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: gparris on Monday Oct 08, 2007, 09:53:34 AM
I think that the poll is not in all member's minds yet and some are still reporting in.
-By anyone like us responding to this thread each day, more and more of them will see it and respond to it if they do what I do:
Hit the "New Posts" and see what comes up.:D

OTA is in part what satellite users do more often than not to get HD channel locals, so if the polls was separated as to what forum members do as "Over The Air Only" vs. "Satellite with OTA"), the "OTA only" figure would be different.
Milwaukee subs with Dishnetwork are not offered the option for HD locals at all and DirectvHD subs get only 3 of the 4-5 most other locations around the country get for HD locals, currently.

As for cable and sat being even in numbers, I think that if TWC doesn't start adding many more HD channels here in the next few months, the satellite count will be going way up and even U-Verse will show gains.;)
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: kjnorman on Saturday Oct 13, 2007, 03:37:17 PM
I messed up as I clicked on satellite because we have Directv.  But, I get my HD though over-the-air.

Can you take one off satellite and add one to OTA?
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Scott Sippel on Tuesday Oct 16, 2007, 09:44:44 AM
Was DTV and off-air until I moved to Whitewater at the begining of the year.  i've been on Charter since the move and just installed a squareshoorter over the weekend with excellent results.  we'll be moving back to Dish or DTV real soon.
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Jayflap on Sunday Oct 21, 2007, 08:38:18 PM
OTA for me. The picture is just so much better.

J
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: LoadStar on Sunday Oct 21, 2007, 09:07:56 PM
Cable, unfortunately, because I'm in an apartment without a southern exposure, and they provide analog cable for free. If and when I move to a new apartment, I will for certain go to satellite.
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: wxndave on Thursday Oct 25, 2007, 07:44:59 AM
OTA is still the best HD since it isn't groomed by anyone.  TWC and the Sat providers groom the signal to use less bandwidth.  I would like to see the numbers between direct and dishnetwork.

Dave
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: bradsmainsite on Thursday Oct 25, 2007, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: wxndave;41735
OTA is still the best HD since it isn't groomed by anyone.  TWC and the Sat providers groom the signal to use less bandwidth.  I would like to see the numbers between direct and dishnetwork.

Dave


Would also like to see that especially with directs big rollout now.  Let the churning begin!
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Talos4 on Friday Oct 26, 2007, 08:02:09 AM
Well, I chose D* and OTA because that's how I get everything.

I generally watch the locals OTA so the situation with 10, 18, 24, 36-1 and 58 not on D* is really no concern at least for me.
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: MrVideo on Friday Jan 04, 2008, 03:01:14 AM
While I get some HD via OTA, i.e., NBC and FOX, the other networks, ABC, CBS and The CW, I get via satellite, but not D* or Dish (non of the pizza-pan suppliers).  That is why I couldn't tick the satellite box and I'm sure it was meant for pizza-pan subscribers.

I do not get any "cable-channel" type HD services (Discovery, HBO, etc).

There was a comment that OTA has the best picture.  There are many who would argue that, me being one of them.  The bitrate starved ATSC just cannot handle rapid video frame changes.  The MPEG-2 encoders just do not have enough to create a clean signal.  Jut ask anyone who watches sports on their HD displays.  I hear nothing but complaints.

Clean MPEG-2 HD requires a bitrate the is at least twice the maximum that can be put out over ATSC channels.  When you see HD with a bitrate of 35-40 Mbps, you hate going back to ATSC bitrates.  Even better video is 1080p, as provided by the hi-def DVD format war.  Unfortunately I've not seen hi-def DVD video, but everything I read is all positive.  OTA/Cable/Pizza-Pan is not going to be able to provide the video quality of hi-def DVD 1080p.
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Leinie Lodge on Tuesday Feb 19, 2008, 08:40:01 AM
Would this be a fair summary?  Engineers please chime in!

BEST   50+Mbps
Blu-Ray Highest bit rate available

GREAT   19Mbps
OTA dedicated full bandwidth (no subchannel)

VERY HIGH QUALITY   Peaks 10+Mbps
Cable HD
MPEG-4 DirecTV
OTA HD signal sharing bandwidth with SD subchannel
ATT U-Verse
 
WORSE
MPEG-2 legacy compression scheme
Overcompressed cable QAM
OTA HD choked w/ too much subchannel draw
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: John L on Tuesday Feb 19, 2008, 01:59:59 PM
I don't have a real HDTV, I just use an old converter box thats about 4 years old Samsung and I receive all the DTV via OTA. I can tell it must be HD when the black side bars are filled in, but because its viewed on a analog TV, course it doesn't matter if it was connected to a DTV receiver you don't get high definition. Just a wide screen.  Otherwise just the side bars are black for SD. I voted in the poll receiving it via OTA.

I got to get a bigger living room and $$$ before I get a HDTV.

-John L.
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Bluto on Monday Aug 24, 2009, 09:18:45 AM
It might be time for a new survey.  It would be interesting to see how the numbers have changed over the past two years...
Title: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Tom Snyder on Monday Aug 24, 2009, 09:30:36 AM
I think you're right! :)
Title: Re: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: techguy1975 on Thursday Jan 19, 2017, 05:09:15 PM
So,

While in the process of migrating to the new forum software, and fixing broken links on the home page, I stumbled upon this old thread.   I'm curious to see how much has changed, so I zeroed out the vote counts, added the first letter back to each vote option (which was missing for some odd reason  ???) and I'm re-opening this thread.
Title: Re: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: duncantuna on Friday Jan 20, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
One thing that's changed .. need a Streaming option.

I use Playstation-Vue, myself.
Title: Re: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: techguy1975 on Friday Jan 20, 2017, 01:20:59 PM
One thing that's changed .. need a Streaming option.

I use Playstation-Vue, myself.

I didn't even think of that!   I'll add it as an option
Title: Re: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: MDR on Friday Jan 20, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
can't select all that apply. just toggles for single choice.
Title: Re: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: techguy1975 on Saturday Jan 21, 2017, 09:15:42 AM
can't select all that apply. just toggles for single choice.

Hmmm...doesn't look like thats an option...
Title: Re: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: Bebop on Saturday Jan 21, 2017, 07:36:43 PM
Cord cutters are usually OTA and streaming.
Title: Re: How do YOU get your HDTV?
Post by: techguy1975 on Monday Jan 23, 2017, 03:47:08 PM
Cord cutters are usually OTA and streaming.


You can now select multiple