Todd W says, Hello, all ...
welcome to tonight's chat with Jim Hall from CBS58.
JIM HALL says, SORRY I WAS A
LITTLE LATE GETTING ON...TONIGHT I AM LOGGED ON FROM
HOME
JIM HALL says, SHOULD BE A
GOOD NIGHT TO CHAT...NO HD ON CBS TONIGHT
Todd W says, We're ramping up
on the folks here, Jim. No problem.
Todd W says, ... and Survivor
is over !! :)
JIM HALL says, DO WE WANT TO
WAIT A FEW MORE MINUTES TO LET OTHERS GET ON LINE OR
SHOULD WE START
Gregg L says, go for it
Todd W says, First question
... Jim, could you please go to transparent logos on the
local stuff for us RPTV types ?? ;)
JIM HALL says, I AM NOT SURE
I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.....
Todd W says, On the local
newscasts, the 'bug' or logo is bright and in high color
with a potential to burn our rear-projection screens.
JIM HALL says, ARE YOU
TALKING ABOUT YOUR LOGO IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER
Todd W says, Yep.
JIM HALL says, IN A HALF HOUR
SHOW WITH COMMERCIALS EVERY 7-8 MINUTES ,...IDEALLY
DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO GET A BURN
JimB says, will the range of
your hd signal be the same as channel 58 is now, I live
in Fond due Lac and wonder if I would be able to receive
the hd signal
JIM HALL says, JIM B
...STAND-BY
JIM HALL says, TODD...HAVE WE
CAUSED YOU A BURN.....
Todd W says, No. I'm just
overly concerned. No burn, but always worried about my
'baby' ;)
JIM HALL says,
UNDERSTANDABLE......YOU HAVE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF $$$,
WEE WILL COME BACK TO THIS QUESTION OF BURNING IN JUST
IN A SECOND BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING YOU ALL SHOULD BE
AWARE OF IN HD
Todd W says, Ok !!
JIM HALL says, JIM B...YES
OUR DTV SIGNAL WILL COVER THE SAME AREA AS CBS58 ANALOG,
BUT.....
JIM HALL says, AT THIS TIME
WE ARE TRANSMITTING AT A REDUCED LEVEL
Eucker says, What %
JIM HALL says, CAN YOU PICK
US UP NOW OR ANY STATION FROM MILWAUKEE WTMJ OR PBS
JimB says, at this time I
haven't invested in any equipment
JIM HALL says, LIVING IN THE
AREA BETWEEN MARKETS IS GOING TO BE GREAT ...I THINK
...FOR DTV VIEWERS...BECAUSE THEY WILL PROBABLY GET TWO
TO THREE MARKETS...
JIM HALL says, I JUST
RECEIVED AN E-MAIL THIS WEEK FROM A PERSON IN NORTHERN
IL AND HE GETS US EVERYDAY
Todd W says, <-- Hoping for
Chicago and Madison as soon as the weather clears.
Gregg L says, But being on
Lake Michigan, I'm not looking forward to tropo
enhancement from Michigan and Indiana ruining my local
signals.
JIM HALL says, DOES ANYONE
OUT THERE NOW WHAT OUR TRANSMITTING ERP IS CURRENTLY
Gregg L says, Probably around
100K
Todd W says, Help ... ERP ?
rnelson says, ERP Enterprise
Resource Planning System?????
JIM HALL says, ANYONE FOR
WHAT ERP IS
Gregg L says, Effective
radiated power
JeffByk says, Effective RMS
Power?
JIM HALL says, THAT'S CORRECT
GREGG
Todd W says, <High5> Gregg !
JIM HALL says, HOW ABOUT TPO
Gregg L says, I cheat though
it's on all my FCC licenses
Gregg L says, Transmitter
power output
Todd W says, Whew ! A ringer
!
JIM HALL says,
CORRECT.....OUR TPO IS BETWEEN 800 WATTS TO 1,000WATTS
Eucker says, Jim, What % of
power are you at?
JIM HALL says, AND WE ARE
RUNNING JUST SOLID STATE PA'S
JIM HALL says, OUR ERP IS
ABOUT 11.7KW
Gregg L says, Mosfet or
bi-polar or some newer device
JIM HALL says, GREGG.....I DO
NOT KNOW...WE ORDER THE BOX GOT IN AND HAVE NOT HAD TIME
TO REALLY GET INTO THE GUTS OF THE STUFF...MY CHIEF
PROBABLY KNOWS HOWEVER
JIM HALL says, WHEN WE RAMP
UP TO FULL POWER OUR ERP WILL BE 1,000KW
JIM HALL says, BY
COMPARISON...OUR CURRENT ERP FOR 58 IS 5,000KW
JIM HALL says, PER THE
EXPERTS....TO COVER THE SAME AREA LESS POWER IS
REQUIRED...AND I THINK THEY ARE CORRECT BASED ON WHAT WE
HAVE NOW SEEN
JeffByk says, You are
operating at 1.2% of your planned ERP???
Todd W says, ... and good on
the ol' electric bill ...
JIM HALL says, I ALSO THINK
THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE INTERFERENCE IS PRETTY
HIGH
Gregg L says, I was present
for the initial 8VSB tests using 36 at 5% power and they
received it just fine at Zenith in Chicago, so I
anticipated that Jim
Gregg L says, On VSB analog
the FCC had offsets on the carrier freqs. to reduce
interference of stations on the same channel. How do
they handle that on DTV?
JIM HALL says, WE COVERED THE
POWER ISSUE LAST WEEK AND THE REASON WHY...BUT FOR THOSE
NEW IT HAS TO DO WITH SEVERAL FACTORS......
JIM HALL says, ELECTRICAL
POWER BILLS......NO ADVERTISING REVENUE.....NO MASS
NUMBER OF HDTV SETS
len says, you can tell TV's
and VCR's that you are on channel 58, NET 10, why can't
you tell the receivers that you are broadcasting 1080I,
720P, or 480P, etc.
Eucker says, Jim, That is a
chicken/egg thing! Put the Masters on HDTV and people
will sell HD sets!
JeffByk says, At such low
power and rec'ving in N. Illinois. Why would you ever
need to go to 1000KW?
JIM HALL says, I CAN LET YOU
ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE INSTALLED A SIX INCH LINE ON OUR
TOWER FOR RAMPING UP IN THE FUTURE SO WE ARE SET AND OUR
TRANSMITTER JUST NEEDS THE HIGH POWER CABINETS FOR FULL
POWER...SO WHEN IT MAKES SENSE WE ARE READY TO GO TO
FULL POWER OR IF THE FCC TAKES THE ANALOG BACK OUR OLD
POWER CABINETS FOR THE 58 BOX CAN BE PUT INTO PLACE FOR
THE DTV SIDE
Gregg L says, That's right
when you showed those to me after the new tower was
built you told me they were ready for digital.
JIM HALL says, WE WOULD GO TO
FULL POWER TO TRY AND FILL IN THE VOIDS...AS I AM SURE
THERE ARE SOME AND TO EXTEND THE CLIFF EFFECT
JIM HALL says, THE MASTERS
WILL BE IN HDTV.....
Eucker says, YES!!!!
Gregg L says, AMEN
corner.....
Eucker says, Said like Marv
Albert!
JIM HALL says, LEN .....CAN
YOU RE-STATE YOUR QUESTION
len says, most of my clients
do not know what they are watching, (format wise), why
don't the receivers identify the signal they are
receiving?
JIM HALL says, OKAY...I THINK
I UNDERSTAND.....LETS SEE IF I CAN ANSWER.....
JIM HALL says, I AM SURE THEY
REALLY NEED TO KNOW...THE SETS ARE SMART RECEIVERS BASED
ON THE SYNC DATA THEY ARE RECEIVING, BUT THAT SAID.....
JIM HALL says, WE HAVE FOUND
ONLY ONE MONITOR THAT POPS UP THE SCAN DATA AND THAT'S A
SONY BROADCAST MONITOR 13 TEST TYPE THAT COSTS SOMEWHERE
AROUND $6.5K......
DMan says, Hi Jim, will HDTV
be on cable?
JIM HALL says, LEN......YOUR
IDEA IS A GOOD ONE AND IT CERTAINLY COULD BE IMPLEMENTED
INTO THE SETS, BUT ITS A MANUFACTURES CALL
Todd W says, Len, my Mits
55819 shows the broadcast format when you push the info
button. 1080i, 480p, etc.
len says, I wish they all
did!
JIM HALL says, DMAN......I
WILL ANSWER YOU SHORTLY.....LETS GO BACK TO THE BURN IN
QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT CONCERNS ME WITH REGARDS TO CURRENT
DTV AND HDTV OPERATIONS......
DMan says, OK thanks :)
JIM HALL says, ANYONE OUT
THERE KNOW THE CURRENT DANGER FOR BURN FOR THE HDTV
SETS?
Todd W says, ok.
Todd W says, 4:3 on the 16:9
...
kjnorman says, or 2:35 on
16:9 or 4:3...
JIM HALL says, CORRECT...4X3
PICTURES ON 16X9 THAT WE FORCE AND YOU GUYS CANNOT
CHANGE.......WHY IS IT A CONCERN
len says, go Todd
Gregg L says, Shouldn't be if
the bars are black, correct?
Todd W says, black bars fire
all guns on the edges.
kjnorman says, Because we do
not burn the side phosphors at the same rate.
JIM HALL says, YOU GUYS ARE
ON THE RIGHT TRACK ...BUT NOT YET
kjnorman says, I had a 28in
widescreen set from 1995. Within 3 years it started to
show burn.
Tom Snyder says, My Toshiba
has a warning when you turn the gray bars (default) to
black
JIM HALL says, HERE'S A
HINT......YOU ACTUALLY WANT THE GUNS ON......WHY?
Todd W says, uneven burn ?
JIM HALL says,
TODD.....CLOSER.....
kjnorman says, My 41in w/s
Sony - got in 1999 - showed no sign of burn, but this
had gray bars. My old Philips with burn had black.
Todd W says, Ok. Too much on
the 'picture area' none on the black ?
JIM HALL says, THAT'S WHAT I
WOULD EXPECT KJ
Gregg L says, Good thing I
paid for the 5 year extended warranty
JIM HALL says, LAST
HINT........THIS IS WHY SETS ARE SET TO OVER SCAN
kjnorman says, The phosphor
consumption is greater where there is active picture.
Eventually there will become a faint line where a 4:3
picture ends on a 16:9 set.
JIM HALL says, PRETTY CLOSE
KJ.......THE REASON IS THE GUNS ARE TURNING ON IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN FROM BLACK AND WHEN THEY HIT THE
PHOSPHOR AT THAT POINT ITS FULL FORCE AND CAN CAUSE THE
DISTINCT LINE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SCREEN........
kjnorman says, But a 4:3
picture on a 16:9 set does not overscan at the sides...
JIM HALL says, ITS NOT BAD IF
ITS NOT LEFT ON ALL THE TIME, BUT FOR EXTENDED PERIODS
R...REALLY EXTENDED IT COULD CAUSE A SCAN LINE BURN
Todd W says, Jim, will you be
adding 'graphics' like CBS is during the 4:3 portions of
their HD broadcast ?
JeffByk says, Thus the reason
gray bars are better.
rnelson says, My RCA Scenium
has Gray Bars when Watching a standard station, but
Black when watching a HDTV Picture in 4:3
JIM HALL says, CORRECT
KJ...BUT THE GUNS ARE OFF AND THEN TURN ON IN THE MIDDLE
OF YOUR 16X9 RASTER......
JIM HALL says, RNELSON...THAT'S
GOOD BECAUSE GRAY MEANS THE GUNS ARE ALL ON BUT A T
EQUAL STRENGTH
rnelson says, I do not get
gray when watching HD Channels in 4:3.
Kevin A says, Will you stick
with black bars on the 4x3 or go to gray?
JIM HALL says, THE PROBLEM IS
WITH WHAT EQUIPMENT WE HAVE WHEN WE UPCONVERT OUR NTSC
TO SDTV IN A 1080I FORMAT 16X9.....WE HAVE TAKEN CONTROL
kjnorman says, I agree. The
guns hit the phosphor and they emit photons of light.
There is only so many photons. Eventually they deplete
over time, and the intensity of the tube fades.
Obviously, if you are not using part of the tube for
much of the time, those intensity levels will be
different.
Gregg L says, Like the Outer
Limits, do not try to adjust your TV as we have
control.....boy I knew this was going to happen.
JIM HALL says, TIME FOR A
SURVEY FROM USERS..........
kjnorman says, That all said,
I am not worried about burn in of station bugs. However
I do not like station bugs and would hope not to have
then at all...
JIM HALL says, WE KNOW THAT
THIS IS A PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO SOLVE WITH OUR EQUIP.
REPS......THE SIDE BARS NEED TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN
PURE BLACK, BUT NOT GREY.....ANY SUGGESTIONS?
kjnorman says, Purple? Only
kidding...
Todd W says, Liked the image
that CBS put up last weekend, Jim.
Tom Snyder says, Can you do
graphic like the networks do during commercials;\?
Gregg L says, At least give
us control like we do on NTSC channels, where we can
make it a full or fill screen .
JIM HALL says, TODD ...YES,
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO BUSY.
Kevin A says, NBC used blue
bars and that looked fairly neutral.
Todd W says, Perhaps, but I
like the concept.
DMan says, bluescreen
sidebars
JIM HALL says, CANNOT DO IT
GREGG WHEN WE ARE 1080I 16X9
len says, move your logo to
the side bars
kjnorman says, Blue would be
better than gray. Imo.
Gregg L says, Just make
everything on CBS in 16x9 HiDef and I'll be happy
Todd W says, How about a
gradient, like HDNet used during the Olympics.
kjnorman says, I would not be
keen to see the logo in the side bars
kjnorman says, I think the
logo would become annoying.
kjnorman says, Hurray to
Gregg
Gregg L says, No Logo, it
would be like being on Yahoo and having to shuffle
through the madness of ads to see the program
JIM HALL says, I THOUGHT WTMJ/NBC
HAD NICE BARS IN THE OLYMPICS...WE WON'T DO LOGOS, BUT I
CANNOT CONTROL WHAT CBS DID...EXPECT MORE IN THE NCAA
WHEN THEY LEAVE THE GAME SITE IN HD AND GO TO THE STUDIO
WITH UPCONVERT
Todd W says, Can you specify
based on hardware, Jim ?? Is this an easy fix ?
kjnorman says, I guess that
if you are covering sports in 4:3, you could push the
picture to the side and use the remainder of the 16:9
space to put stats on the game or the players. That
would be nice.
Todd W says, Nice, Kerry,
nice. Like that.
JIM HALL says, GOOD IDEA
KJ....I AM SURE IT WILL FIND A USE LIKE THAT OR FOR
SPONSORS LOGOS......
rnelson says, You could also
show close up images in small side bar windows.
Gregg L says, See as there
are few viewers on 1-1, why don't you put my company
logo in the side bar for free until you get some more
viewers.
JIM HALL says, WE ARE WORKING
WITH THE REPS ON WHAT WE CAN DO....HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE
A SOFTWARE OR FIRM WARE UPGRADE......
len says, or advertise what
you are doing on the other channels in the case of SD
kjnorman says, Yeah, It does
not need to be dead space, as long at the content is
appropriate for the source material, I would think most
viewers would find this acceptable, if not advantageous.
Todd W says, ... or a live
datacasr from MilwaukeeHDTV.org in the space ... :)
JIM HALL says, WE WILL BE
TRYING SOME SIDE COLOR PANELS OUT SHORTLY SO PLEASE GIVE
US THE FEED BACK.....
DMan says, Please....no Fox's
'The Tick' banner-behind-the-batter during World
Series!!!
Gregg L says, Puce?
Todd W says, You know you can
count on us for feedback, Jim !
Tom Snyder says, Shortly
meaning tonight?
Gregg L says, Hey short in
corporate terms is usually months, don't bug the man.
JIM HALL says, ANYONE HAVE
ANOTHER SUBJECT...
Tom Snyder says, or in the
case of HD... YEARS!
rnelson says, I was watching
a James Bond Movie Saturday night on ABC (7-1) Chicago.
It had a DD5.1 Audio… noticeable improvement over
straight DD. Do you have equipment to broadcast in DD5.1
and when/how would it be turned on? I was watching a
James Bond Movie Saturday night on ABC (7-1) Chicago. It
had a DD5.1 Audio… noticeable improvement over straight
DD. Do you have equipment to broadcast in DD5.1 and
when/how would it be turned on?
kjnorman says, Can you
discuss the cable subject?
kjnorman says, Current moves
to get CBS58 on TW?
JIM HALL says, OKAY TWO
SUBJECT.......ON AUDIO
len says, adjacent channel
interference? (35 vs. 36, 46, vs 47 Madison???)
DMan says, will cable have
CBS-HD?
Gregg L says, Here it would
be 33, 34,35 and 36,,,,neat
JIM HALL says, THREE
SUBJECTS......I HAVE THEM WRITTEN DOWN ....LETS START
WITH CABLE
JIM HALL says, WE ARE HOPEFUL
THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE WILL HAVE OUR DTV SIGNAL ON
TWC
DMan says, cool
JIM HALL says, I KNOW THE
NEXT QUESTION IS WHEN ON TWC,.....I DO NOT HAVE AN
ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT
JIM HALL says, IN THE
MEANTIME, ENJOY IT OVER-THE-AIR
kjnorman says, I know you
don't have a precise answer, but could we be talking
summer time or 2003?
DMan says, The Masters on
cable? :)
JeffByk says, Knowing what
you know, would you invest $500 in an STB to get it now
OTA or wait to get it thru TWC?
JIM HALL says, ON THE
AUDIO.......WE PASS THROUGH WHAT THE NETWORK SENDS
US......WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH CBS ABOUT NEW
DOLBY THAT WILL BE PRESENTED IN FALL
Todd W says, STB all the way.
len says, ditto
kjnorman says, I'll read
between the lines and presume this means sometime in
2003 or later..
JIM HALL says, KJ.....ITS
REALLY TOUGH TO SAY ON THE TIME FRAME FOR TWC AND CBS
-HD
JeffByk says, then STB it is!
Gregg L says, I still waiting
on TWC for Roadrunner commercial service....yeah
DMan says, Is there a manager
we can write to request adding CBS-HD on cable? Any
advice for us.
JIM HALL says, ALSO. CBS-HD
ON DIRECT IS ALSO EVEN A LONGER WAY OFF UNLESS THEY FIND
CHANNEL SPACE AND WE ARE NOT ABOUT TO LET THEM SQUASH
OUR HD SIGNAL AND COMPRESS IT LIKE THEY DO OUR ANALOG
kjnorman says, Its a shame, a
cable box is so much easier to sell to the wife than yet
another expensive box to receive just 3 stations. You
know, you would have many more viewers on cable...
JIM HALL says, KJ......WE AT
TIMES ARE TRANSMITTING 4 PROGRAMS ON OUR DTV SIGNAL....
len says, your wife knew how
to program the VCR before you did, don't blame her
Gregg L says, Yeah, and no
snow on 41 here in Cedarburg receiving it on 1-2
kjnorman says, I accept that,
but this concept of multicasting is foreign to many
people - wife's included.
JIM HALL says, FOR TWC......WRITE
TO THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT, BUT BE POLITE.....MORE BEES
WITH HONEY......
JIM HALL says, HAVE ALL OF
YOU CHECKED OUT OUR WEB SITE FOR HDTV PROGRAMMING
Todd W says, Yes !!! Thanks
for the link !
Gregg L says, Yep
Kevin A says, Your the first
in the market to do it!
JIM HALL says, IS IT
USEFUL...EASY....CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.....
Todd W says, Jim, perhaps a
little presumptuous, but, is there a chance for a CBS58
facilities tour for group members ?
Gregg L says, How about a
weekly e-mail to HD viewers...sorta like Fox's
newsletter but just with the coming weeks HD programming
Kevin A says, Personally, I
prefer grid format and then I could see 41's schedule at
the same time. I like that station.
Todd W says, Ditto, Kevin.
JIM HALL says, GREGG WE JUST
STARTED THAT TODAY.........AT LEAST ON THE PROGRAMMING
FRONT......GO TO OUR WEB SITE AND SIGN UP FOR NEWS
E-MAILS.....YOU WILL GET ONE EACH DAY AT 3:00PM
kjnorman says, Looking at it
now I only see tomorrow listed. Can you expand this to
include the up coming week?
Todd W says, I'm there on the
e-mail !
Gregg L says, That's nice but
daily is usually too late to plan, a weekly would be
nicer and easier on your people wouldn't it?
JIM HALL says, WE ARE STILL
WORKING ON ADDING WMLW TO THE DTV SCHEDULE UNDER
CBS-58.COM....FOR WMLW GO TO ITS WEB SITE AND IT HAS ITS
OWN SCHEDULE......WWW.WMLW.COM
DMan says, Will be nice to
see CBS-HD on the TV's interactive programming guide
too. Nice to plan 1 week ahead
JIM HALL says, YU SHOULD BE
ABLE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE WEEK AND BY TIME BY SELECTING
THE RIGHT OPTIONS
len says, Hey Jim! Do you
take a day off? And how is Kevin doing?
JIM HALL says, DMAN.....WE
MAY BE ENDING THE PROGRAM GUIDE SHORTLY.....IT DOESN'T
WORK THE WAY WE WANT IT TO AND WE ARE SHOPPING FOR A NEW
ONE.
kjnorman says, Okay, perhaps
I was looking at the wrong page..
JIM HALL says, THIS JOB IS
24X7, AND KEVIN IS DOING GREAT.....HE IS REALLY THE
PERSON YOU SHOULD ALL THANK AS HE HAS BEEN THE WORKING
DAY/NIGHT TO GET IT ON THE AIR
DMan says, Thanks for your
efforts Jim. You're a pioneer, this is all new & we
can't wait to see more.
Gregg L says, 24X7, 16X9, 3X4
all these numbers.....ouch
kjnorman says, I guess we had
better let you go and get some rest then??
kjnorman says, Thank you for
your time this evening.
JIM HALL says, ON THE
TOUR......WE CAN SCHEDULE ONE IN THE COMING
WEEKS......DAY OR NIGHT ?????
Todd W says, How about a
weekend day ?
kjnorman says, Weekend day
would be good!
JIM HALL says, OKAY, WE WILL
SCHEDULE FOR A WEEKEND DAY IN MID-APRIL.....
kjnorman says, Preferably not
April 3 to 13. I'll be in the UK....
kjnorman says, :)
Todd W says, That's great.
rnelson says, Great :)
Kevin A says, And free HDTV's
to all participants
len says, 4/3 my birthday
Gregg L says, Oh God Monty
we've already got one.
kjnorman says, LOL, how about
a free stb!
Gregg L says, Free OTA fringe
antennas, like Select TV tuned only for channel 46.
Kevin A says, That's not a
bad idea
Todd W says, Jim, I'm still
not getting guide info i.e.; program info. Any update ?
JIM HALL says, I WILL LOOK AT
THE SCHEDULES TOMORROW AND WE WILL PLAN IN LATE
APRIL......NO KEVIN A...NO FREE TV'S...IN FACT I WS
GOING TO CHARGE SO WE CAN PAY FOR ALL THIS EQUIP.
JIM HALL says, TODD...WE HAD
THE GUIDES ON TONIGHT......WHAT STB ARE YOU USING?
kjnorman says, Late April
would be good. We can then laugh (sigh?) at how all the
other stations will not be making their deadlines.
Gregg L says, Don't look for
any money from me if after April 15th, the government
will have all of mine..
kjnorman says, For May 1 I
mean...
Todd W says, Panasonic
TU-HDS20. Anything I need to do ?? Re-initialize ?
Gregg L says, Guides are
working right now, 60minutes II and Munsters, the others
are off air.
JIM HALL says, WE HAVE ONE OF
THOSE BOXES AND WE CAN'T MAKE IT WORK EITHER...ANYONE
WHO CAN HELP?
Todd W says, Hmmm. Not here.
Gregg L says, But of course
there is not descriptions available, but I just go to
DirecTV and look it up on 58 etc.. even though I don't
get local stations the info is still there.
JIM HALL says, GREGG.....OUR
DESCRIPTIONS ARE NOT WORKING...ONLY NAME AND TIME
Todd W says, I think that
Steve Mann and I are the only ones in this group with
the box.
Gregg L says, I realized that
from earlier comments, I was just iterating that I
always have the backup from DirecTV.
JIM HALL says, ANY OF YOU
HAVE TWC DIGITAL
Tom Snyder says, I did for
one day... picture sucked
JeffByk says, I have TWC
Digital but still on waiting list for HDTV STB
JIM HALL says, I AM WONDERING
HOW WMLW LOOKS AT 741
sarusk says, I do have TWC
digital
sarusk says, haven't looked
yet
JIM HALL says, ALSO WONDERING
WHAT YOU ALL THOUGHT OF THE HDTV BROADCAST OF THE NCAA
GAMES ON FRI & SUNDAY LAST WEEK
Todd W says, I was glued to
it, Jim. Excellent coverage.
Tom Snyder says, Excellent!
rnelson says, The Picture of
the Wisconsin Game was much better than the score.
JeffByk says, Just
checked...741 looks as good as any other channel on TWC
Digital
JeffByk says, I should say...
as good as the best channels
JIM HALL says, THE NCAA
BROADCASTS ON HDTV WAS PRETTY GOOD AND CERTAINLY BETTER
THAN NTSC, BUT WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON STILL IMPROVING
IT......THERE WERE SOME MOTION ARTIFACTS THAT HOPEFULLY
CAN BE MADE TO BE BETTER
Todd W says, Would that be
from your end or CBS' ?
JIM HALL says, ALSO, I HAVE
NOTICED THAT IN TRUE HDTV BROADCASTS I HAVE MADE
DIFFERENT PRE-SETS FOR VIEWING......
JIM HALL says, TODD...IT HASS
TO BE ON BOTH ENDS.......
sarusk says, just checked 741
as well, it is about the same as other channels
Todd W says, Me too ... King
Of Queens DOES look different than Raymond, for example.
JIM HALL says, I MAKE SURE
THAT I HAVE MY NOISE REDUCTION TURNED OFF IN TRUE HD AND
EVEN UPCONVERTED AND I TURN DOWN THE SHARPNESS ALMOST
ALL THE WAY, ESPECIALLY IN TRUE HD
Todd W says, I figured CBS
needed to be involved, Jim.
Tombo says, The commercial
for CBS looks great. The one that advertises HD with CBS
its all here. That commercial is how prime time should
look.
JIM HALL says, CBS HAD
PROBLEMS IN REPLAYS......I AM NOT SURE WHAT THEY WERE
DOING OR USING.....
Todd W says, Ahhh ... indeed
we had reruns last week.
JIM HALL says, TOMBO...THE
PROMO LOOKS GOOD, BUT I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE
LOOK.....I WOULD HATE TO WATCH A SITCOM IN HD VIDEO
Todd W says, I've said it
before, nothing beats Leah Remini in HD.
JIM HALL says, CBS IS DOING
IT RIGHT....THEY SHOOT THEIR SITCOMS & DRAMAS ON FILM
AND THEN DO AN HD TRANSFER
rnelson says, How Long before
we see David Letterman in HD?
Todd W says, Thanks, Roy.
DITTO !
JIM HALL says, RNELSON....I
ASKED THE SAME QUESTION OF CBS AND I DID NOT GET AN
ANSWER, BUT WITH NBC AND LENO, I AM SURE ITS NOT FAR
BEHIND, BUT......
Tombo says, Are you saying
the content is so bad lets keep quality a little lower.
I want the HD video even for sitcoms. Jim, film will be
dead in 5 years.
JIM HALL says, TOMBO.....I
RESPECTFULLY HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, FILM WILL NEVER
BE DEAD AND VIDEO CAN NEVER REPLACE FILM.....THEY ARE
TWO DIFFERENT MEDIUMS AND EACH HAS THEIR SPECIAL
APPLICATIONS....
JIM HALL says, BACK TO
LETTERMAN .....FOR THE NET TO DO DAVE IN HD THEY NEED TO
RESIZE THE SET FOR 16X9....SO WHEN YOU HEAR OF A NEW SET
BEING BUILT FOR DAVE....I THINK ITS SAFE TO SAY IT WILL
THEN BE AVAILABLE IN HD
Todd W says, Is that feasible
in the old theatre ?
rnelson says, Will they need
a corporate sponsor like Sony did for Leno to make it
complete?
JIM HALL says, IF THEY WERE
GOING TO DO IT,......IT WOULD BE OVER THE SUMMER WHEN
HE'S IN RE-RUNS
JIM HALL says, BACK TO THE
FILM VS VIDEO ISSUE.......
Tombo says, It is already
happening in consumer cameras and video recorders. Do
you know anyone using film. Read this article.
http://www.foveon.com/press_X3_business.html By the way,
what is films advantage?
Todd W says, What about
future HD from CBS ?? A hint of what to expect, perhaps
?
JIM HALL says, DID ANY OF YOU
WATCH SUNDAY NIGHT'S MOVIE ON CBS-HD
rnelson says, Yes. Really
nice.
Todd W says, :( DVD rental,
sorry.
Tombo says, Was that the
little house on the prairie thing. I watched it with my
daughter?
JIM HALL says, TODD.....HOW
COULD YOU........JUST KIDDING I RENT DVD'S TOO
Tom Snyder says, Sorry... "6
Feet Under" addict
Todd W says, :) Rush Hour 2
... quite good, actually !
Tom Snyder says, Been waiting
for HD " Touched By An Angel" forever! You're finally in
HD, but it's being preempted by hoops :(
JIM HALL says, TOMBO.....WHAT
DID YU THINK OF THE PICTURE QUALITY OF THE MOVIE......
Tombo says, It was fair to
good. Again not as good as video. It is just too soft.
Not much better than a DVD but I wont complain because I
know film will die.
Todd W says, Jim, how about
some help in getting a local sports bar to go HD for the
Masters, even some ideas ??
Todd W says, We need to show
HD to the masses !
Todd W says, I've been to
(almost) every major sports bar in the Menomonee Falls
area with no luck ! (Well, food and drink aside !)
JIM HALL says, TOMBO....I
AGREE WITH YOU ON THE CONSUMER SIDE OF THINGS WITH
VIDEO, BECAUSE ITS EASY AND INEXPENSIVE TO USE,
.....FILMS ADVANTAGE IS IN LIGHTING...NO WAY THAT VIDEO
CAN EVER SHOOT A SCENE IN LOW LIGHT LIKE FILM AND GIVE
YOU THE SAME EFFECT.. ....WHEN CSI IS BACK ON WATCH IT
AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN. TOMBO I AM SURE YOU ARE A
VIDEO GUY AND VIDEO IS GREAT FOR SPORTS, NO ARGUMENT
THERE
Tom Snyder says, Problem is
that even a sports bar has just a tiny segment of the
population...
JIM HALL says, CHAMMPS IS
PUTTING IN PLASMA SCREENS
Todd W says, Really ???
Greenfield or Brookfield ?
rnelson says, I guess that's
going to raise the price of my Friday night fish fry.
Todd W says, A very good
friend of mine is the general contractor that builds
Champps buildings.
JIM HALL says, I THINK ITS
GREENFIELD.......
Kevin A says, Any clue as to
NFL telecasts going HD?
JIM HALL says, I BELIEVE A
GAME OF THE WEEK WILL BE IN HD, BUT DO NOT HOLD ME TO
THAT. ALSO IT MAY NOT BE THE MAIN GAME OR SAME GAME AS
SHOWN ON CBS-58
Tombo says, The big key for
consumers is the 8VSB receiver or Cable carrying the HD.
Next year will be the explosion when the receivers show
up at $150. How many of you know people with the HD set
but no receiver. I know quite a few. Its hard to come up
with that $600 .
Todd W says, Ditto, Tombo. I
do too.
JeffByk says, hey, that's me!
JIM HALL says, OUR INDUSTRY
IS PARTIALY TO BLAME FOR THE HDTV READY SETS WITH NO
TUNERS.....THE FCC AND ATSC HAD A EVER HARD TIME ON
SETTING ON A FORMAT
JIM HALL says, WITHOUT A
FORMAT THE MANUFACTURES DID NOT SET UP THEIR LINES IN
THE PLANTS SO NOT TUNERS
JIM HALL says, WHAT YOU ARE
GOING TO SEE IS STB'S THAT ARE CHEAP.....
Kevin A says, FCC should
mandated tuners in all sets. They have a precedent with
the closed caption and v chip. They forced the
broadcasters, now get the manuf. up to speed.
JIM HALL says, KEVIN.....YOU
ARE RIGHT AND I WAS IN WASHINGTON 4 WEEKS AGO REQUESTING
OUR SENATORS AND REPS TO MAKE THIS A REG FOR NEW SETS
BEING BUILT ON SOLD IN THE US.
Todd W says, What's your
stance, Jim, on the copy protection issue, DVI, etc.
JIM HALL says, COPYRIGHT
ISSUES ARE VERY COMPLEX AND THERE IS ALWAYS TWO SIDES OR
THIS CASE MULTI-SIDES TO THE ISSUE, BUT.......
Tombo says, Actually things
are moving pretty well. This year stations get up and
work out their problems and get use to working with the
digital stuff. Next year due the price on ATSC tuners
drops due to new consolidated chipsets and consumers get
on board. There is an advantage to digital that goes
beyond HD. Sound quality for one. Analog noise for
another
JIM HALL says, FOR CONSUMERS,
LIKE THE VHS TAPE RECORDING.....THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED
TO RECORD FOR THEIR OWN USE......THE PROBLEM IS IN THE
DIGITAL ERA...ITS VERY EASY TO COPY WITH
PERFECTION........IN FACT I BELIEVE THAT SOFTWARE IS
AVAILABLE TO RECORD AN OTA ONTO YOUR HARD DRIVE IN THE
DIGITAL FORMAT.
Todd W says, Yep. It's out
there, Jim.
Todd W says, People that have
the HiPix Card are doing it now.
JIM HALL says, TOMBO...I
AGREE, BUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY US TO BROADCAST IN
HDTV.......ITS A LONG WAY FORM BEING THE NORM.....WE ARE
BROADCASTERS, BUT TODAY WE ARE NARROWCASTING AND WE
CANNOT MAKE EVEN ENOUGH REVENUE TO PAY THE POWER BILL
JIM HALL says, SO EDUCATE ME
TODD,......PEOPLE COULD RECORD THIS ON THEIR HARD DR.
AND THEN COPY IT TO CD AND SELL COPIES...????
JIM HALL says, NOT TO MENTION
EDITING OUT THE COMMERCIALS
Kevin A says, Replay TV
already does that
Todd W says, Sure. It's
easily done. Adobe Premiere is affordable.
Kevin A says, But not in HD.
Same as going to bathroom during comml.
Todd W says, We write it to
an MPEG stream, bring it in to Premiere, edit and burn
to DVD. No prob.
Tombo says, Nobody will pay
you for the next few years. But you have to or you lose
your license. There is another investor waiting behind
you to take your bandwidth and use it for another
business. It might turn out that broadcast Television
dies. Who knows.
Todd W says, Well, actually,
Kevin, with the HiPix card you can record HD streams.
Todd W says, I can't afford a
HiPix card, though ... :(
JIM HALL says, THE VIDEO TAPE
AT BLOCKBUSTER AND DVD'S WERE SUPPOSE TO KILL TV JUST
LIKE TV WAS TO KILL RADIO.....IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BUT
TO COULD CHANGE AS WE KNOW IT TODAY
JIM HALL says, DO YOU GUYS
KNOW THAT FUTURE TUNERS FOR OTA WILL HAVE YOU LOG IN
YOUR ZIP CODE....ANY IDEAS AS TO WHY?
Todd W says, Guide data.
JIM HALL says, NOPE
Kevin A says, To permit you
only to receive your market channels
JIM HALL says, NOPE...BUT I
LIKE THAT IDEA
Kevin A says, Naughty
Tombo says, It picks up the
right commercial for your location
JIM HALL says, TOMBO
...THAT'S IT!!!!!!
JIM HALL says, PLUS...WE WILL
DO A NEWS WEATHER CAST FOR YOUR AREA
Kevin A says, Production
costs will eat you up for that
Todd W says, Like that !
Kevin A says, Unless you can
use computer generated weather and news casters :)
JIM HALL says, KEVIN...YOU
ARE RIGHT NOT TO MENTION THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FILE
SERVERS WE WILL NEED TO PLAY THE RIGHT COMMERCIAL TO THE
RIGHT AREA......
JIM HALL says, KEVIN.....THEY
HAVE DEMOED. THAT TOO
Kevin A says, Oh great. Are
most of your comml on disk or tape.
Todd W says, How specific
will you be ? Does that mean that I'll see that the
Menomonee Falls Pick 'n Save will be giving out free
eggs this week ??
JIM HALL says, KEVIN...ON
DISK PLAYING HAVE HARD DRIVES.....
JIM HALL says, YES TODD...IT
COULD BE
Kevin A says, On your news
replays are those disk drive or tape. I imagine you
could program a whole broadcast day in a couple hours
Todd W says, No kidding, wow.
That's neat. You'll like this Jim, but I really don't
mind advertising.
Todd W says, I'm typically
happy to submit personal info to get targeted ads.
JIM HALL says, KEVIN....IN
LONG FORMAT REPLAYS OF NEWS AND OTHER SYNDICATED SHOWS
IE JUST SHOOT ME....WE USE TAPE....
Kevin A says, Somewhat
unrelated question. WEB FN telecasts are somewhat
jittery and almost like web cam. Comment?
JIM HALL says, THE FUTURE
COULD BE THAT YOU PAY TO WATCH TV WITHOUT CM'S AND ITS
FREE OR THEY PAY YOU TO WATCH CMS'.......THEY HAVE
DEVICES CALLED PEOPLE METERS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO
MONITOR WHAT PEOPLE ARE IN THE ROOM AT ALL TIMES.
JIM HALL says, GOOD EYES
KEVIN........LET ME EXPLAIN
Todd W says, Sign me up for
the People Meter !
JIM HALL says, THE FEED FOR
WEBFN COMES FROM OUR CHICAGO STUDIOS ON A T-1
LINE......ALSO THEY FEEDS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY AND
WORLD COME IN ON T-1'S...SO THE VIDEO IS NOT LIKE A FEED
VIA SATELLITE, BUT ITS EVER COST EFFECTIVE, THE DOWNSIDE
IS THE QUALITY VS SATELLITE.
Todd W says, Is the source
feed video and then compressed onto T-1, Jim ?
Kevin A says, We play 41 all
day in our break room at our clinic. Got to keep up with
the DOW. So I get quite an eyeful of it during the day.
Including those goofy Family Feud commls.
JIM HALL says, TODD.....YES.
WE ARE HOPING THAT WITH BETTER ENCODING TECHNOLOGY IT
WILL IMPROVE
JIM HALL says, ITS JUST ABOUT
TIME FOR EITHER DAVE OR JAY.....ANY LAST QUESTIONS.
Todd W says, It's coming. I'm
looking for that same thing for presentations I need to
make.
Kevin A says, Thanks again
for an interesting evening. We'll have to discuss that
tour. Sounds interesting. Good night
Todd W says, Indeed. Looking
forward to meeting you in person, Jim and getting the
tour !
JIM HALL says, THANKS
EVERYONE AND THANKS FOR WATCHING CBS-58 TV & DT
